It appears War Mongers in this chat group are In favour of hostilities instead of suggesting That both Super Powers should avoid potential disasters to the region & the world. A shame for Peace loving people in all countries. This is usually the case when arm chair commentators have not been engaged in wars or hostilities. Talk BIG only.
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
How did appeasement work out for Chamberlain?
Peace requires two parties to be committed, whereas war only needs one.
Notice how no one here is talking of China firing the first shot and attacking the US first? How is it war mongering to examine possible retaliatory options for AFTER China has been attacked by the US?
Surely you are not suggesting China simply capitulate and cave in to whatever demented demands Trump and co can dream up with?
As the west loves to endless repeat, the best way to maintain peace and stability is through having a powerful and robust military to deter military adventurism from despots wishing to distract from their own domestic incompetences.
The irony is that it is actually true for China, whereas it’s just an excuse to have a bigger military budget to go on foreign military adventures for the west.
Keep in mind that the US has been preparing to win a nuclear war since 1950. Recent renewal of talks for tactical nuclear bombs are extremely troublesome and yet no one in the west has ever voiced its condemnation against both.
If the U.S. Administration under President Trump is War Mongering, than I believe he will not be re-elected this November. I know most Americans are fed-up of Wars...they are more concern about serious domestic issues presently & For their future. A US President And Western Leaders can be removed By theIr people during Elections, as this is possible in a Democracy. No nation in their right mind wants a Nuclear War, as when it starts it will be the End of the World. China, Russia, N Korea, India, Pakistan, US, France, Israel have Nukes. Once Nuclear War is started, countries will Definitely reciprocate. War Mongering, flexing military strength & bullying are disgusting to ordinary & Peace loving people everywhere.
Lol US is ready to go to war any time.
They just need casus belli. Look at how far they tried to push Iran and now trying to corner China.
Chinese have had good relationship with India and other neighbors for thousands of years until the imperialists came.
Chinese will be the keeper of peace in the future. We are an intellectual and industrious people by nature.
And then we all happily sing Kumbaya thereafter?
When the wolves gathers, drooling and growling, just beyond your front door, you just don't hope and pray, acting like a pantywaist milktoast.
You prepare yourself to shoot whatever comes through the door to smithereens.
Trump may be mentally unstable, but the US military is not. Lots of bright and talented people there.
I always admire, grudgingly , how the US skillfully achieves her strategic economic gains through propaganda and warfare, all the while under a just and righteous banner. the Free Trade Agreement among China , Japan and SK was disrupted by bringing in the Diaoyu Dao dispute, Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi toppled for trying to switch to petroEuro, and now Iran threatened for trying the same.
And I can't help but feel that the US Navy is now in SCS, partly to scuttle the impending signing of the RCEP among ASEANS, China, Japan and SK. I heard that the Chinese RMB will be used instead of the US dollars once RCEP is signed, but I don't know if it is true.
I always admire, grudgingly , how the US skillfully achieves her strategic economic gains through propaganda and warfare, all the while under a just and righteous banner. the Free Trade Agreement among China , Japan and SK was disrupted by bringing in the Diaoyu Dao dispute, Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi toppled for trying to switch to petroEuro, and now Iran threatened for trying the same.
And I can't help but feel that the US Navy is now in SCS, partly to scuttle the impending signing of the RCEP among ASEANS, China, Japan and SK. I heard that the Chinese RMB will be used instead of the US dollars once RCEP is signed, but I don't know if it is true.
I disagree with your assessment.
U.S Foreign Policy and Strategic Decision Making has been an unmitigated disaster in the past two decades. At the turn of the century, the United State reigned supreme as the undisputed hegemon of the international system. Yet it has squandered its position in quick fashion. I will list three major strategic catastrophes here.
1) The War on Terror and The Invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. The vast cost of the wars depleted U.S treasure, resulting in nothing except the creation of two failed state with ongoing conflicts 20 years and counting. By removing Sadaam from power, U.S unwittingly handed regional influence back to Iran on a silver platter.
The subsequent intervention in Syria and Libya ended in utter failure once again. The resulting necessity to deal with ISIS sapped any momentum in "Pivot to Asia" and and further delayed strategic focus back towards Great Power Competition.
2) Three rounds of Eastward NATO expansions pushed U.S Russia relation beyond the point of no return, directly resulting in Russian/Georgia War and Russian Annexation of Crimea. And thus, Russia is lost as a potential balancer to a rising China.
3) The Great Recession at home and the collapse of the Washington Consensus abroad. In the ten years following the Great Recession marked a reversal of economic fortune more rapid than any other points in recorded history. In 2008, the GDP of PRC by PPP was a mere 60% of U.S GDP. By 2018, It is 120%. Total industrial output, a key attribute of a nation's capacity for war, followed the same trend.
These, among many other missteps, has made the U.S far weaker and far less ready for the unavoidable resumption of Great Power Competition. The United States has squandered its moment of Unipolarity, to no avail.
Regretfully you are being shallow and preaching to the wrong crowd. China aspiration is to rise peacefully as time is on China's side to rise again in peace. It is the US that feels threaten by peace and they are escalating and instigating aggressive war-like posture to prevent China from challenging the US dominated world order.
Given the current condition, the only means for China to maintain peace is to be strong and deter any miscalculation by US which will lead to war.
This is why you are preaching to the wrong crowd.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
That is being wilfully naive.
You may wish to look up just how many years of its two hundred odd years history the US was not at war (which I count US foreign military adventures that US governments do not call war for political purposes) before preaching about how peace loving it is. It’s been democratic for all of that time, yet time and again the ‘peace loving’ people put war mongers in power.
The truth is that American culture does not really view war as a bad thing like most civilised and mature cultures do because they have only really benefited from war until Korea and Vietnam, and even then those were small and comparatively insignificant set backs on the battlefield easily forgotten.
America was created in war, expanded through wars, made rich by wars and became a superpower on the back of its military power.
It’s hard to convince people war is back when the only history the overwhelming majority of Americans are taught in any detail proves that war is beneficial.
That is why the democratic American system keeps turning out war mongers, and why those self same war mongers send in the troops so often.
That is not bashing on Americans or American culture, it is merely an objective assessment of reality and why I am far less wide eyed in expecting Americans to see the light. In my experience, people tend not to radically change their fundamental world view without absolutely irrefutable evidence and tremendous pain as motivating factors.