China's SCS Strategy Thread

Hendrik_2000

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I put this video on this thread because the silk road thread is hijack by timepass with flood of article about irrelevant road construction. Come on who care if Chinese built bus assembling plant
After years of long delay the construction of Thailand China HST is inaugurated. It is step in direction of long cherish dream of Kunming to Singapore HSR
 
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/south-china-sea-strategies-for-other-nations-not-china.t7302/
seems to be abandoned, so this thread:
Where is America Going in the South China Sea?
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The new National Security Strategy talks tough — but here are the options the United States actually has, and the pros and cons of each.

The Trump administration’s new
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is remarkably critical of China, warning that its “efforts to build and militarize outposts in the South China Sea endanger the free flow of trade, threaten the sovereignty of other nations, and undermine regional stability.” Yet even as U.S. leaders have
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a “Free and Open Indo-Pacific,” they have yet to explain how this approach will apply to and be implemented in the South China Sea. Meanwhile, the situation there has reached a critical stage as Chinese advances accumulate, America’s room for maneuver diminishes, and observers throughout the region wonder whether the United States is up to the challenge.

As we discuss at greater length in a recent
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in the Naval War College Review, America’s standing in the Indo-Pacific largely depends on its ability to uphold existing rules of the road. In particular, the United States and its allies and partners have
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“freedom of navigation and overflight, respect for international law, and the peaceful resolution of disputes.” Thus, from a geopolitical standpoint, the struggle over the South China Sea is not about
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, but about who sets the geopolitical framework for the region, and whether states in Southeast Asia and the greater Indo-Pacific region will align with the United States or China.

The Obama administration
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to develop an effective strategy for countering China’s drive for hegemony in the South China Sea, which has featured island-building, militarization of disputed features, harassment of U.S. vessels and aircraft, coercion of U.S. allies and partners, and other salami-slicing tactics designed to gradually provide Beijing a position of overwhelming advantage. So far, the Trump administration has fared little better. Administration officials initially took a hard line, with Secretary of State–designate Rex Tillerson suggesting that Washington might physically prevent Beijing from
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its artificial islands in the Spratlys. Then the issue appeared to
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from the policy agenda as the administration focused on bilateral trade and North Korea as the dominant issues in U.S.-China relations. Although the U.S. military has
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freedom-of-navigation operations (FONOPs) to challenge China’s (and other states’) excessive claims, the administration has given the impression that it lacks an overall strategy for addressing Chinese advances.

Four Strategic Options
Getting America’s South China Sea strategy right requires thinking systematically about what Washington should seek to achieve and what it should hazard in the effort. It has become common, in recent years, to hear calls for the United States to get
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with China over its assertive and frequently coercive behavior. Yet it is far less common to hear in-depth discussion of what the long-term goal of such a program should be, whether that goal is actually achievable, and how much cost and risk the United States should accept along the way. What is needed is to elevate the strategic debate by identifying and assessing the options for countering China’s assertiveness in the South China Sea. Four main strategies are possible: rollback, containment, offset, and accommodation.

Rollback: The most ambitious strategy would aim to reverse China’s gains. This approach would seek to force Beijing to withdraw from key features in the South China Sea, or at the very least to demilitarize those features by removing the military facilities and capabilities. In addition to barring access to the islands, a rollback strategy might attempt to force Beijing to walk back its maritime claims in the South China Sea—in particular, to abandon the nine-dash line and accept the 2016 arbitral tribunal ruling, which held that China must derive its maritime entitlements from legitimate claims to land features.

The core premise of a rollback strategy is that China’s increasing dominance in the South China Sea poses an unacceptable risk to U.S. interests, and that the South China Sea will become a “Chinese lake” unless Beijing’s advance is not simply halted but reversed. The trouble, however, is that this approach probably cannot be executed at acceptable cost. Even in the best-case scenario, rollback would lead to a severe disruption of the U.S.-China bilateral relationship and alienate many U.S. allies and partners who want Beijing’s advance stopped—but not at the cost of full-on confrontation. At worst, it could plunge Washington and Beijing into precisely the military conflict that American policy makers long have sought to avert. For these reasons, it is highly unlikely that rollback will be attempted; indeed, only a handful of the most hawkish U.S. national security experts have advocated such a strategy, and even then only in private rather than public settings.

Containment: Should the risks associated with rollback prove prohibitive, a second strategic option is containment. The goal here would be to stop China from using force or coercion to alter any element of the status quo in the South China Sea, and particularly to prevent it from building additional features or seizing features held by other nations. The basic logic of this approach is that, while rollback may be too dangerous, any further erosion of the situation in the South China Sea is unacceptable. Additional Chinese gains would undercut the credibility of American leadership and guarantees in the region and risk allowing Beijing to complete its dominance incrementally.

Containment would permit Beijing to keep what it has, but it would draw the line firmly against further advances. The United States would issue sharp, clear warnings against further Chinese expansion or coercion, coupled with hard-edged policies—perhaps including the use of force—meant to substantiate those warnings. The United States would, for instance, station substantial military forces in and near the South China Sea to respond quickly if Beijing sought to seize features held by other nations; it might also consider landing U.S. forces on features controlled by American allies and partners to discourage aggressive Chinese moves.

Containment is thus a hard-edged, confrontational policy. Its primary selling point is that it is both less risky and less difficult to execute than rollback because it relies on deterrence—preventing China from seeking new gains—rather than
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—requiring Beijing to accept the humiliation of giving up gains it has pocketed already. Containment is nonetheless difficult, costly, and potentially dangerous to execute, and would require enormous patience and persistence. Critics such as Hugh White have
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whether the South China Sea is worth a war for Washington; containment, like rollback, requires the United States to answer that question in the affirmative.

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Offset: If U.S. leaders are not willing to accept the risks inherent in more-aggressive strategies, a third option would be to focus on offsetting—and penalizing—Chinese gains rather than directly preventing them. The United States would respond to Chinese moves in the South China Sea by imposing costs—diplomatic, economic, and otherwise—on Beijing; Washington would also work to strengthen the relative positions of America and its allies and partners. In practice, this might entail slapping economic sanctions on Chinese firms engaged in island-building or other coercive activities, suspending broader bilateral economic initiatives such as negotiation of a bilateral investment treaty, or incrementally expanding the U.S. defense relationship with Taiwan or other regional parties. At the same time, the United States would aggressively exploit the regional unease created by Chinese advantages to continue broadening defense relationships and opportunities for basing access with countries throughout Southeast Asia and beyond.

This strategy would accept some short-term competitive losses in hopes of offsetting those losses through longer-term competitive gains. An offset strategy therefore requires that U.S. officials walk a tightrope: acting forcefully enough to convince regional actors that Washington is serious about preventing Beijing from dominating the region, but not so aggressively as to unnerve allies and partners who often try to avoid explicit alignment. As Singaporean diplomat Bilahari Kausikan
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, “[t]o the countries of Southeast Asia, the American porridge is always going to be too hot or too cold; countries will always fear the United States entangling them in its quarrels with rivals or being left to deal with other major powers without adequate support.” Moreover, although an offset strategy reduces the prospect of near-term military confrontation with Beijing, the penalties imposed must still be severe if they are to affect China’s calculus over the long-term—which is critical because an offset strategy does not directly forestall Chinese advances in the short-term. Thus, although an offset strategy may carry some competitive advantages, it also remains fraught with difficulties.

Accommodation: In contrast to the first three strategies, the goal of accommodation is not to stop Beijing’s destabilizing behavior ultimately, or even to maintain a dominant position in the South China Sea and the broader Asia-Pacific region. The primary goal, rather, is primarily to avoid conflict with China over the South China Sea, with a subsidiary objective of conserving the resources that would be needed to compete more effectively.

To that end, the United States unilaterally would make concessions to wind down tensions in the South China Sea. It would avoid military, diplomatic, or legal challenges to Chinese activities, essentially acceding—whether tacitly or explicitly—to Beijing’s island building, militarization, and coercion of its neighbors. FONOPs would be phased out; military exercises and presence would be reduced, if not terminated.

The core premise of this approach is that resisting Chinese dominance of the South China Sea is a fool’s errand. China already controls much of the area, this argument runs, and there is little that Washington can do short of threatening—and perhaps waging—war to halt Beijing’s progress. Rather than making Scarborough Shoal or Second Thomas Shoal the West Berlin of the twenty-first century, the United States simply would recognize that Beijing’s rise makes it inevitable that the South China Sea eventually will become a Chinese lake. The obvious downside, of course, is that this approach would surrender the South China Sea to Beijing—and cast severe doubt on Washington’s ability to uphold its other interests and commitments in the broader Asia-Pacific region.

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A Hybrid Strategy
So where does this analysis leave the United States? Neither of the extreme options—rollback or accommodation—represents an approach that the Trump administration is likely to adopt. Rollback has rhetorical appeal, but it would require Washington to accept extremely high levels of cost and risk. Indeed, this strategy would require Washington to accept far more risk than U.S. allies and partners themselves have accepted, and might thus endanger the very relationships the strategy is meant to protect. Conversely, an accommodation strategy effectively would abandon most of Southeast Asia to China. This would constitute a strategic disaster for the United States under any administration, but for an administration that has proclaimed itself determined to adopt a
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China policy, an approach that resembles appeasement is likely to be particularly unattractive.

This leaves two strategic options: containing or offsetting Chinese actions in the South China Sea. Containment has worked in isolated cases, and it holds some promise of altering Chinese behavior through deterrence rather than compellence. Yet containment is still a costly and potentially dangerous strategy, one that an opportunistic—and increasingly powerful—adversary presumably will find numerous opportunities to test in the coming years. An offset strategy, for its part, would have the benefit of avoiding near-term military confrontations, while focusing U.S. leaders on the long-term objective of imposing costs on and enhancing regional balancing against China. Unfortunately, an offset strategy is difficult to execute in its own right and it risks permitting further Chinese changes to the status quo and thereby undermining U.S. credibility with friends and adversaries alike. Containment and offset are certainly superior to the extreme options, but neither one is an ideal strategy in and of itself.

Containment and offset are not mutually exclusive, however, so the best approach for U.S. policy makers would be to combine the most compelling aspects of these two strategies, while seeking to avoid some of their associated liabilities. Specifically, the United States should contain the most destabilizing Chinese activities while offsetting and penalizing less threatening behavior.

The containment elements of a new strategy would demonstrate that the United States is willing to accept short-term risk—including military risk—to prevent China from coercing regional states and consolidating control of additional features in the South China Sea. The United States has shown episodically that—when it draws redlines clearly and credibly threatens to enforce them—it can deter Chinese efforts to take features from other claimants (as in the case of Second Thomas Shoal in 2014) and to build on contested features (as in the case of Scarborough Shoal in 2016). If U.S. leaders are willing to issue clear deterrent threats, and to back up those threats with potential military, economic, and diplomatic sanctions, they may be able to mitigate the worst aspects of Chinese aggression by preventing Beijing from seizing or reclaiming additional disputed features.

The offsetting elements of the strategy, meanwhile, would seek to ensure that China suffers long-term losses whenever it obtains any short-term gains coercively. Unfortunately, no U.S. containment policy is likely to prevent China from using its maritime militia to harass other countries’ vessels, violating the 2016 arbitral tribunal decision, further militarizing its existing artificial islands in the Spratlys, or declaring an ADIZ around the South China Sea. The United States is just not likely to go to war, or even threaten to do so, in response to such run-of-the-mill coercion, and Beijing knows as much. U.S. leaders therefore have little option but to impose economic and diplomatic penalties on Beijing in response to such actions, while offsetting such gains by enhancing the U.S. military posture in the region and working to build regional support for deeper American engagement and tougher policies toward China.

There is no guarantee that this hybrid strategy will work, of course; were there an obvious solution to China’s challenge in the South China Sea, U.S. policy makers surely would have found it by now. A contain/offset hybrid still will entail many of the liabilities that inhere in the separate strategies: it will not reduce China’s existing military-geopolitical footprint, for instance, nor will it preclude all forms of Chinese assertiveness and coercion in the region. This strategy, moreover, will be difficult to execute and will become ever harder to implement over time as China’s power grows. Indeed, for the United States to accomplish even the limited aims of this approach, it must be willing to accept greater risks, incur higher costs, and impose more-serious penalties on China than it has been willing to do to date. A contain/offset strategy will not allow U.S. policy makers to avoid dangerous crises and daunting dilemmas—even if it does represent the best approach for navigating them deftly enough to preserve America’s key interests in the South China Sea.

America has limped along without a clear or coherent approach in the South China Sea for several years. If the Trump administration is serious about its
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to “compete with all tools of national power to ensure that regions of the world are not dominated by one power,” then now is the time to get serious about this strategy. In the final analysis, a strategy that blends the most compelling aspects of containment and offset is best suited for protecting U.S. interests at a reasonable cost—and for steering the proper course in a turbulent South China Sea.
 

Hendrik_2000

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A demented and illogical wishful thinking of armchair strategist who does not know what he is talking about. I saw this article before and didn't bother to post it
You think China will fold their arm and said amen?
SCS is part and parcel of shield to protect the mainland as well as egress to Pacific . In other word is vital to her security and viability of her nuclear submarine
China will not compromise on this vital issue They can try and see what they will get if they dare to implement it . The question is will American public accept tremendous loss of life and material over rock?
The freedom of navigation was never endanger and American security was never threatened
So what is it for the US to risk everything other than hubris?.
Remember China is not Iraq and her economy is 60 to 70% of US economy and has plenty of nuclear stockpile US has never face potential foe like this
 

tidalwave

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Words spreading China will take military actions against Taiwan if US warships docked at Taiwan.

For starter, China will wrestle Pratas island away from Taiwan . the island strategically situates between SCS and Western Pacific ocean.
 
Words spreading China will take military actions against Taiwan if US warships docked at Taiwan.

you would be rather late if you referred to what Mr. Kexin had said
#46
Dec 10, 2017

(after that there were plenty of posts in
China-US-Taiwan Economic (Temp closed-pls read my last post) thread)

or do you perhaps mean something newer?

For starter, China will wrestle Pratas island away from Taiwan . the island strategically situates between SCS and Western Pacific ocean.
let me see ...
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now noticed (dated December 25, 2017) Chinese report says South China Sea islands expanded 'reasonably'
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China has “reasonably” expanded its islands in the disputed South China Sea and this year construction projects there including radar facilities covered about 290,000 square meters (72 acres), according to a new government report.

The number was broadly similar to one provided by a U.S. think tank earlier this month.

China has conducted extensive land reclamation work on some of the islands and reefs it controls in the South China Sea, including building airports, alarming its neighbours and Washington.

Beijing says the work is help provide international services such as search-and-rescue but admits there is a military purpose too. China also says it can do whatever it wants on its territory.

The new report, posted on a website run by China’s National Marine Data and Information Service and the overseas edition of the ruling Communist Party’s People’s Daily, says China has enhanced its military presence there and “reasonably” expanded the area covered by the islands.

Apart from what it termed “large radar” - it was unclear if the report was referring to more than one - construction this year has included facilities for underground storage and administrative buildings.

There has been an increase in military patrols too, the report added, without giving specifics.

The report was released on Friday but appeared in the state-run newspaper the Global Times on Monday.

While attention in Asia has been distracted by the North Korean nuclear crisis in the past year, China has continued to install high-frequency radar and other facilities that can be used for military purposes on its man-made islands in the South China Sea, a U.S. think tank said this month.

That report, by the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative of Washington’s Center for Strategic and International Studies, said Chinese activity has involved work on facilities covering 72 acres (29 hectares) of the Spratly and Paracel islands, territory contested with several Asian neighbours.

More than $5 trillion of world trade is shipped through the South China Sea every year. Besides China’s territorial claims in the area, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan have rival claims.
 

plawolf

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A demented and illogical wishful thinking of armchair strategist who does not know what he is talking about. I saw this article before and didn't bother to post it
You think China will fold their arm and said amen?
SCS is part and parcel of shield to protect the mainland as well as egress to Pacific . In other word is vital to her security and viability of her nuclear submarine
China will not compromise on this vital issue They can try and see what they will get if they dare to implement it . The question is will American public accept tremendous loss of life and material over rock?
The freedom of navigation was never endanger and American security was never threatened
So what is it for the US to risk everything other than hubris?.
Remember China is not Iraq and her economy is 60 to 70% of US economy and has plenty of nuclear stockpile US has never face potential foe like this

Further to the above points, the fundamental critical flaw with all western analysis is that it is all based on fake news.

China did not start the tensions in the SCS, contrary to what is endlessly repeated in the western ‘free’ press. If anything, China was willing to make painful concessions to peacefully and permanently resolve those disputes and was on the cusp of reaching a historical agreement when Hillary barged in with behind closed doors promises of American support to all rival claiments.

That then led to a land grabbing frenzy by the likes of the Philippines and Vietnam especially which infuriated Beijing and directly triggered China’s island building as a show of force to the others that the are not even in the same league to try and play hardball with China.

The overwhelming majority of the trillions of trade that passes through the SCS are going to and from China, a critical fact always omitted in the western media.

There has never been any threat to free trade from China in the SCS because that trade is overwhelmingly Chinese, so China has the most to loose in any disruptions to the free flow of trade in the region.

As China has always insisted, Chinese island building was always about safeguarding free flow of trade in the SCS, never about hampering it.

Indeed, the only powers who might want to strangle free trade in the SCS are powers adversarial to China, as that is the only place on Earth where an effective interdiction campaign could be mounted in a bid to cut China’s sea based lines of communications without effectively ending global free trade as collateral damage.

But the core reason America, the world’s sole military and economic superpower, keeps getting its red lines crossed is because it’s leaders and strategists are unreasonably overreaching and being tyrannically overbearing.

The SCS is a classic example. So what if that becomes a ‘Chinese Lake’? Minimal amounts of trade to America goes through the SCS since it’s quicker to go the other way for most countries already.

There is only any reputational damage to the US because it has made unreasonable promises to its ‘allies’ in the region to screw with China.

If screwing China over wasn’t an overriding American foreign policy objective, the issues in the SCS would never have flared up if the US criticised the likes of Vietnam and the Philippines half as much as they criticised China and applied the same kind of deterrent and rollback strategy against their island grabs from the offset.

Had the US pressured those nations to roll back or even stop their land grabs, China would never have seen the need to build up its own islands at what would have been extreme cost.

China would not bother to challenge American presence in Asia at all had America used its might and influence in a fair way aimed to maintaining the status quo and the rule of law.

However, the sad reality is that America has shown time and again that it cannot be trusted to do the right thing, especially when it’s own national interests are on the line.

Indeed, it has a truly loathsome habit of artificially manufacturing problems for others, so that it can then use those as bargaining chips to get costly concessions from others in negotiations rather than offer up anything of value itself to fairly trade for those concessions.

From a grand prospective, it could be quite convincingly argued that the main reason Hillary went in to torpedoe China’s attempts at a peaceful resolution to the SCS dispute, and subsequent American tacit support of rival land grabs in the SCS were all part of an ‘offset’ strategy to create bargaining chips to used against China in trade talks and to try and get China to back off in Africa, since the main story at the time was how China was ‘winning’ Africa from America.

By completely whitewashing and erasing it’s own part in the creation of the disputes in the first place, and instead treat Chinese reactionary countermeasures as assertive proactive provocations, all American strategists like the useful idiot who wrote that fluff piece does is create a self-perpetuating cycle of rising tension and hostility. The cynical part of me thinks there are elements in America that wants nothing more than a new Cold War, since a lot of the people in the American military, intelligence and political circles all seem to have such a rose tinted nostalgic view about the last one.
 
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