China's SCS Strategy Thread

texx1

Junior Member
From Chinese State Shipbuilding Cooperation, these are CGIs of what China plans to build on reclaimed land in South China Sea.

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An airstrip with 2 ports

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One port for ships up to 5000 tons and another for ships up to 50000 tons.



The following pictures are CSSC's design of construction ship for island building in South China Sea.

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The ship design is very comprehensive with fuel stores, living areas, recreation facilities, construction cranes, cement mixers, helipad. The structure in middle could even be a mini fabrication center.

To Moderators, you can move this post into PLAN South Sea Fleets and Bases thread if you think it's more appropriate.
 
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delft

Brigadier
A Different Voice From The Natioanl Interest

Could Washington Be Dragged into a "Sea" of Fire?

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Tensions are rising in the East and South China Seas. America needs to walk a fine line between appeasement and confrontation when it comes to China.

Ted Galen Carpenter

May 24, 2014

Tensions are rising fast in East Asia as relations between China and several of its neighbors continue to deteriorate. There have been ominous developments in just the past few days. Speaking in Shanghai to the Conference on Interaction and Confidence Building Measures in Asia (CICA), Chinese President Xi Jinping issued a veiled warning to countries about forming or strengthening alliances to counter China. “To beef up military alliances targeted at a third party is not conducive to maintaining common security in the region,” he admonished. Just hours later, the governments of Vietnam and the Philippines issued a statement that they would jointly oppose “illegal” Chinese actions in the South China Sea.

Manila has steadily escalated its territorial disputes with Beijing regarding the South China Sea in recent years, and China’s decision to build an oil drilling platform in disputed waters has caused its simmering dispute with Hanoi to flare. Although the new bilateral statement falls far short of being an “alliance,” it does indicate the formation of a common front against China’s policies.




Such developments place Washington in a most uncomfortable position. As the world’s leading maritime power, the United States cannot readily concede China’s extremely ambitious territorial claims. Those claims regarding the South China Sea, for example, encompass some 90 percent of that body of water. Much of the world’s commerce, including U.S. trade, passes through the sea lanes in the region. Allowing the South China Sea to gradually become de facto Chinese territorial waters through the creation of a vast Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) would give China a strategic stranglehold in an important region, something that is clearly not in America’s best interests.

At the same time, it is unwise for Washington to provoke Beijing by reflexively backing the positions of its territorial rivals. Yet the Obama administration has done precisely that, especially with regard to the Philippines. U.S. military cooperation with Manila is rapidly increasing, and Washington rarely misses an opportunity to offer diplomatic support to President Benigno Aquino’s stance on the South China Sea.

That approach runs the risk of allowing an allied tail to wag the American dog. Philippines officials have already asserted that the long-standing bilateral defense treaty obligates the United States to come to Manila’s aid if China resorts to force regarding disputed territory. Japan has adopted a similar position regarding possible conflict with China over the disputed Senkaku/Diaoyu islands in the East China Sea. Although Washington has not yet publicly endorsed Manila’s interpretation of its security agreement with the United States, Obama administration officials have echoed Tokyo’s interpretation of the U.S.-Japan defense treaty.

Such a posture is profoundly unwise. The various territorial claims in the South China Sea are murky, from the standpoint of both law and history. Beijing’s claims do seem excessively broad and were certain to be resisted by other countries, but they are not outrageous. Given America’s own economic and security interests, the United States cannot prudently appease China by accepting Beijing’s maximum position, but U.S. officials also must be careful not to encourage excessively bold claims by the Philippines, Vietnam and other parties—especially if those countries cannot sustain their positions without U.S. military support.

The situation with respect to the Chinese-Japanese feud in the East China Sea is at least as delicate. Japan is more relevant than any or all of the South China Sea countries as a strategic counterweight to China, and it is Washington’s most important ally in East Asia. Yet Beijing’s historical claim to the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands may be stronger than its claims in the South China Sea. Although the islands were not included in the 1895 Treaty of Shimonoseki, which transferred Taiwan and other territories as spoils to Japan following the Sino-Japanese War, Tokyo took control of those islands the same year. The timing may have been coincidental, but Chinese officials and scholars argue strongly that it was all part of Japan’s aggressive territorial expansion, largely at China’s expense, and that the islands should have been “restored” to China after World War II, just as Taiwan and the other conquered territories were.

As with the competing claims in the South China Sea, it is extremely difficult to determine which country has law and history on its side. And given the strategic importance of the East China Sea, U.S. leaders are understandably reluctant to alter the status quo to Beijing’s benefit.

But Washington needs to explore ways in which it can accommodate some Chinese territorial objectives without needlessly undermining American interests. A middle course between appeasement and confrontation is essential. The current, implicit policy of “anyone but China” regarding the various claims is neither equitable nor sustainable. Moreover, whatever positions the United States adopts regarding the South China Sea and the East China Sea, they should be based on a careful assessment of America’s best interests, not the interests and agendas, much less the whims, of allies or clients.

Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a contributing editor to The National Interest, is the author of nine books and more than 550 articles and policy studies on international affairs.
The writer is pretty ignorant writing about freedom of navigation which in this context is wholly irrelevant. "China’s decision to build an oil drilling platform in disputed waters" is also inappropriate for a floating rig.
 

port_08

Junior Member
Allowing the South China Sea to gradually become de facto Chinese territorial waters through the creation of a vast Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) would give China a strategic stranglehold in an important region, something that is clearly not in America’s best interests.

Why this would not be America's best interests? What's America motives here? US should be more transparent in their intention on China...
 

A.Man

Major
Taiwan To Build $100M Port In Disputed Region Of The South China Sea But China Does Not React

By Sneha Shankar@SnehaShankar30
on May 26 2014 2:25 AM

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Taiwan is planning to spend $100 million on enhancing its port facility in a disputed region of the South China Sea, Reuters reported Sunday, a development that China, which views Taiwan as an outlying province, has seemingly chosen to ignore.

The new port is expected to come up next to an airstrip on the Itu Aba islands, also known as Tai Ping, and will allow Taiwan to dock 3,000-ton naval frigates and coastguard cutters, and include the construction of a 1,200-meter long runway to land Hercules C-130 military transport aircraft. The upgrade, which is expected to be completed late next year, is seen as Taiwan's assertion of sovereignty on the island, which is strategically located between the Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam.

"Taipei knows it is the only claimant that (China) will not bother, so it is free to upgrade its facilities on Tai Ping without fear of criticism from China," Denny Roy, a senior fellow at the Hawaii-based East-West Center think tank, said according to Reuters, adding: “China would protect Taiwan's garrisons if necessary."

Nearly $5 trillion worth of ship-borne goods pass through the South China Sea every year and Tai Ping, which comes with its own source of fresh water, also boasts the biggest runway in the hotly contested Spratly Islands archipelago. Taipei's move is also expected to support Taiwanese deep-sea fishermen, and marine and mineral research in the area.

While China and Taiwan have staked a claim to almost the entire South China Sea, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei have also claimed parts of the sea, which is rich in oil deposits. Since 2008, both China and Taiwan have improved their relationship, after the election of Ma Ying-jeou as Taiwan’s president, but distrust between the two nations remain intact.

"Taiwan itself is Chinese territory anyway," Zhang Zhexin, a research fellow on Taiwan issues at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies said, according to Reuters, adding: “How can we have a territorial dispute within our own country? Of course Taiwan is part of China, so that includes all parts of China, including Tai Ping Island.”

Because of the island's significant strategic value, Taipei regularly stations coastguard personnel and soldiers, supplying them with defense weapons in Itu Aba.

"We would never invade islands occupied by other nations, but we will actively defend our claims," Reuters reported a spokesperson for Ma’s party as saying.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Taiwan To Build $100M Port In Disputed Region Of The South China Sea But China Does Not React

By Sneha Shankar@SnehaShankar30
on May 26 2014 2:25 AM

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Taiwan is planning to spend $100 million on enhancing its port facility in a disputed region of the South China Sea, Reuters reported Sunday, a development that China, which views Taiwan as an outlying province, has seemingly chosen to ignore.

The new port is expected to come up next to an airstrip on the Itu Aba islands, also known as Tai Ping, and will allow Taiwan to dock 3,000-ton naval frigates and coastguard cutters, and include the construction of a 1,200-meter long runway to land Hercules C-130 military transport aircraft. The upgrade, which is expected to be completed late next year, is seen as Taiwan's assertion of sovereignty on the island, which is strategically located between the Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam.

"Taipei knows it is the only claimant that (China) will not bother, so it is free to upgrade its facilities on Tai Ping without fear of criticism from China," Denny Roy, a senior fellow at the Hawaii-based East-West Center think tank, said according to Reuters, adding: “China would protect Taiwan's garrisons if necessary."

Nearly $5 trillion worth of ship-borne goods pass through the South China Sea every year and Tai Ping, which comes with its own source of fresh water, also boasts the biggest runway in the hotly contested Spratly Islands archipelago. Taipei's move is also expected to support Taiwanese deep-sea fishermen, and marine and mineral research in the area.

While China and Taiwan have staked a claim to almost the entire South China Sea, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei have also claimed parts of the sea, which is rich in oil deposits. Since 2008, both China and Taiwan have improved their relationship, after the election of Ma Ying-jeou as Taiwan’s president, but distrust between the two nations remain intact.

"Taiwan itself is Chinese territory anyway," Zhang Zhexin, a research fellow on Taiwan issues at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies said, according to Reuters, adding: “How can we have a territorial dispute within our own country? Of course Taiwan is part of China, so that includes all parts of China, including Tai Ping Island.”

Because of the island's significant strategic value, Taipei regularly stations coastguard personnel and soldiers, supplying them with defense weapons in Itu Aba.

"We would never invade islands occupied by other nations, but we will actively defend our claims," Reuters reported a spokesperson for Ma’s party as saying.

of course china doesn't react, china would like Taiwan to build more facilities! anything Taiwan does in the SCS is a plus, more naval maneuvers, more coast guard patrols, more construction on taiping island is much welcomed.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Anyone hear the news that the Vietnamese are claiming China attacked one of the ships and sank... of course by ramming.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Anyone hear the news that the Vietnamese are claiming China attacked one of the ships and sank... of course by ramming.

Yeah but who to say the Vietnamese boat might be attempting a suicide terrorist attack on that Chinese rig? Of course the media won't mention that possibility.
 

Geographer

Junior Member
Here are some pictures of Taiping (Itu Aba) Island. I don't know when they were taken.

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Will Vietnam and the Philippines protest Taiwan's decision to build a port on Taiping Island? After all, they claim that island belongs to them.

The satellite photo shows Taiping Island already has a small pier. A small canal has been dredged for it. Do you think they'll built the port there or somewhere else? I think they'll build it on a different part because they'll want to use the existing pier for supplies while it's under construction.
 
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Geographer

Junior Member
texx1, where did you get those pictures. The CSSC website? I'm surprised they would announce their plans for such a sensitive project.

If true, this the largest project China has ever undertaken in the South China Sea. That base will be a huge asset for Chinese maritime patrols in the region. Two ports and a runway? It's going to be a major supply base for planes and ships. There'll probably be at least 300 residents to operate the island. China won't be able to claim an EEZ around it because it's not a natural island but that doesn't matter because China claims EEZ around every other above high-tide island in the South China Sea.
 
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