China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Equation]

Me too Bub, and I for one am glad there is a "Man of the House"!, let those chicks get out and march and get that out of their system, I've got 7 daughters, I appreciate women's issues, and I'd much rather hang out with pretty chicks than any guys I know, cept maybe my "baby brother Dan" and "you guys!".

I'm sure China is a little edgy here, I'm hoping everybody understands everybody else, and I'm hoping everybody keeps their KOOL! its gonna take a lot of kool, and no doubt at some point some of us will get a little testy??? if I'm out of hand, please send me a PM, and I'll try to do the same for you???

Trump is anything but Kool? His tweets are worse than his bark.

 

[solarz]

The 9-dash line is still on PRC passports and maps. That also needs to go.

Why should it? It's a pretty clear representation of China's claim. It's not China's problem that certain actors insist on interpreting it wrongly.

 

[Blackstone]

Why should it? It's a pretty clear representation of China's claim. It's not China's problem that certain actors insist on interpreting it wrongly.

So, let me ask a simple question: does PRC claim all of the water inside the 9-dash line as sovereign territory?

 

[Blackstone]

No it doesn't. The only one's making the drama out of it are the good ole boys and their precious status quo with whatever "allies" they bought left.

Since you're so clear on the 9-dash line, I'll ask you the same question I asked solarz: does PRC claim all of the water inside the 9-dash line as blue sovereign territory?

 

[Air Force Brat]

Since you're so clear on the 9-dash line, I'll ask you the same question I asked solarz: does PRC claim all of the water inside the 9-dash line as blue sovereign territory?

that's actually a fair question, and I would assume the answer is yes, and if so, lots of other folks will have a problem with that?

 

[solarz]

So, let me ask a simple question: does PRC claim all of the water inside the 9-dash line as sovereign territory?

If they did, then it wouldn't be a dashed line. It would be a solid line, like any other border demarcation.

 

[Air Force Brat]

If they did, then it wouldn't be a dashed line. It would be a solid line, like any other border demarcation.

so then why put it on the map?? wishful thinking, future goal??? kinda like a yellow "caution sign"???

 

[Iron Man]

I'm fairly certain the nine dash line represents an EEZ claim rather than a territorial waters claim, since even under the most generous stretching of UNCLOS rules those artificial islands can still only stake out a 12nm zone around the islands as territorial waters. So China's interpretation of its SCS EEZ "rights" would be the same as its interpretation of its EEZ "rights" elsewhere, i.e. no spying by foreign powers inside the EEZ (which it interprets as military activities but the USN apparently does not). I have no doubt China does not have any desire to restrict the movement of commercial shipping or the "innocent passage" of foreign naval vessels (i.e. no military activities).

 

[plawolf]

so then why put it on the map?? wishful thinking, future goal??? kinda like a yellow "caution sign"???

This has been said any number of times, so I don't know why people still keep asking the question.

The 9 dash line means China claims all features (islands, rocks, atolls etc) within it.

Remember, when China first made those claims and drew the 9 dash line, UNCLOS did not exist.

So it is both stupid and disingenuous to use UNCLOS to bash those historical claims which pre date the convention.

 

[Brainsuker]

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This would be an interesting counter to Tillerson, who is obviously motivated by the Exxon Mobile deal with Vietnam.

The US may be the most powerful country in the world, but it can only project that power through regional proxies. China seems to have identified that as a key weakness, and is using non-military means of neutralizing those proxies.

Actually, they have the best proxies to face against China (sorry for reply to an old post). And if the war occur, The United States will get a very big benefit for that. Because beside they can reduce China's economy and industry (as they can bomb China mainland and China will difficult to do the same to the US mainland), the war will also destroy the East Asian industry and economy as a whole.

Because the US will definitely call South Korea and Japan as their proxy. Mean, these two countries will be legit as bomb target by China. Thus, the two countries' economy and industry will get affected too, if not destroyed (as their land mass is too small to protect the whole industry area)

With everything that happen in the war, China economy will reduce, Japan and Korea will also destroyed. Thus, US get the benefit because they will become the only country that industry and economy untouched by the war.

I say, good strategy.