China's SCS Strategy Thread

Hendrik_2000

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Chinese in those countries tend to isolate themselves rather than melt into and that's why they're ethnic Chinese after centuries. If you think about Laos it's much closer to Vietnam when it comes to culture and language than China. People from both countries blend into local communities fast mainly through marriages.

So I wouldn't call China being on some superb position there as their long time 'associates' (Laos and Myanmar) aren't given forever and thing may change easily in the future.

I don't know what are you talking about Laos is closer to Thai than Vietnamese.In fact the language are the same.
Vietnamese influence only in the elite communist party because the Vietnamese help them during the struggle in 60's google Pathet Lao.

But the biggest investor and economic relation in Laos is China . Vietnam is too poor to invest in Laos.

Officially Chinese population in Thailand is only 10% but due to heavy intermarriage almost half of Thai population has Chinese ancestry specially Bangkok area maybe even as high as 70%.
So much so that ex Thai foreign minister once said that when it come to China we don't consider it foreign country because Chinese root is so deep in every layer of Thai society. And spread in every corner of Thailand. The last 9 prime minister are all Chinese . So do 90% of upper house and lower house of Thailand. and the last 3 kings acknowledge their Chinese heritage. How they know it because back in 80's when Thailand reintroduce Chinese medium school they did survey on the ancestry of both houses. The Thai princess Sirindhorn is fluent in mandarin and often went to China

Even Burma is now reorienting their foreign policy as proven by recent visit of FM Aung sansuchi. The first foreign visit by her since assuming the government .
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Burma need China to solve their civil war and economic development. And China is the largest economic partner of Burma plus large tract of Northern Burma is populated by the Chinese
 
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advill

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Racial/cultural affinity has always been inherent in Southeast Asia. Those familiar with understanding culture/s will know 2 factors must be considered: Hereditary & Environment. They apply to "Overseas Chinese" i.e. those of Chinese descent living in countries their ancestors have migrated. The other influencing factors of geo-politics, economic and security have now become apparent with the Rise of China . When one discusses Cultural affiliations, it can be a highly sensitive subject especially in a multi-racial societies. This subject must be handled with diplomacy and tact without creating unnecessary suspicions in some Southeast Asian countries, especially where other racial groups form the majority population.
 
This report links to the Philippines' photos of the Chinese boats and notes that none of them are dredgers.
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However, the photographs the Philippines used to make its assessment do not show barges or dredging equipment. Many of the photos, published over the weekend by the Philippine Secretary of Agriculture on Facebook and later released by the Department of National Defense, do show the “blue-coloured” vessels described by the Philippine Secretary of Defense, but they are not barges. Still other ships were described as having suspected “cable-laying” equipment that is more likely trawl-net reels or other longline fishing equipment.
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Photos of the boats:
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Racial/cultural affinity has always been inherent in Southeast Asia. Those familiar with understanding culture/s will know 2 factors must be considered: Hereditary & Environment. They apply to "Overseas Chinese" i.e. those of Chinese descent living in countries their ancestors have migrated. The other influencing factors of geo-politics, economic and security have now become apparent with the Rise of China . When one discusses Cultural affiliations, it can be a highly sensitive subject especially in a multi-racial societies. This subject must be handled with diplomacy and tact without creating unnecessary suspicions in some Southeast Asian countries, especially where other racial groups form the majority population.

Being deferential to the majority is the save way to maintain race relation .But it is not necessarily the right approach. A lot of young overseas Chinese is now question this idea. They say that the best way to ensure peaceful race relation is to improve the lot of the people regardless of race and working together to eradicate corruption and mismanagement of government.
Sweeping problem under the rug in the name of politeness and politically correct way doesn't solve the problem.

The best proponent of this idea is the present governor of Jakarta. Ahok . He is brash,blunt, impatient and "on your face" type of guy.But he is effective and fired 5000 corrupt civil servant and change the civil service to tenure and contract position
At first the public is jarred by his bluntness coming from culture that abhor confrontation

But for the first time in 70 yr the city infrastructure is improved . He dug the rain storm canal, built low cost housing, improve transportation, provide free healthcare and education for the poor and built an open, transparent government.And genuinely care for the downtrodden.
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Now the public is electrified by him
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Hendrik_2000

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The Phillipines is fast becoming the boy who cries wolf of South East Asia.

Not even Philippine. There are only 2 countries that valiantly try to keep the issue alive for their own purpose . But to no avail . Seem like the brouhaha of arbitration court will end up as footnote in history. And the war monger are disappointed and try to spin it as a partial victory for the neocon agenda.When it is clearly a defeat of nefarious agenda

Beijing appeared triumphant on Thursday after a regional summit concluded in Laos without adopting a draft statement on the South China Sea disputes.

State media, including Global Times, a tabloid controlled by the official People’s Daily, on Friday described it as a diplomatic win for China while a senior diplomat declared that “the page had been turned over” regarding the July 12 ruling by an international tribunal in The Hague that rebuked China’s historic claims in the South China Sea.


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Speaking at the conclusion of the East Asia Summit in Vientiane, deputy foreign minister Liu Zhenmin sounded particularly relieved that none of Southeast Asian nations brought up the international arbitration ruling, which dealt a sweeping blow to Beijing’s expansive claims over much of the disputed waters.

But diplomatic observers cautioned against such upbeat assessments and pointed out that China has actually been subject to mounting pressure in Laos from the United States and Japan, who both insisted repeatedly over the past few days that the ruling at the International Court of Arbitration in The Hague must be binding.

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Even Liu admitted that the South China Sea disputes, which had rarely been touched upon in the previous summits, had become a major topic this year.

It was, at best, a respite in long-running tensions between China and its Southeast Asian neighbours and the ruling has become a new starting point for China’s rival claimants to move forward, analysts said.

Asean-China relations turning a new page does not necessarily mean that things will turn out the way China expects.”
Jay Batongbacal, University of the Philippines
They also warned that it was not in Beijing’s interest to play up the deep-rooted division among the Association of the Southeast Asian Nations (Asean), which has yet again prevented the 10-member grouping reaching a consensus over how to deal with a increasingly assertive China.

“I agree that Beijing scored a small victory in avoiding a rebuke by the summit delegates as a whole,” said Jay Batongbacal, a law professor at the University of the Philippines. “But Asean-China relations turning a new page does not necessarily mean that things will turn out the way China expects.”

Analysts noted that Asean nations had extensive discussions on the maritime disputes during the summit and issued a veiled criticism of China in a joint statement on Wednesday.

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While China was able to dodge continuing public and open criticism, it would only “ease tensions superficially but not necessarily narrow the differences between disputing States”, Batongbacal said.

“The US and Japanese statements reflect Asean sentiments and act as surrogate voices to their fundamental positions,” he said.

It is an open secret that Cambodia and Laos, which rely heavily on mainland investment, refused to scold Beijing while many other Asean nations are also reluctant to take a tougher stance on China, which is Asean’s top trade partner.

Just because the ruling wasn’t mentioned in the Asean joint statement doesn’t mean that the members are willing to ignore it
Bonnie Glaser, Centre for Strategic and International Studies
Bonnie Glaser, of the Washington-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies, said that although Beijing would like to put behind the tribunal ruling once and for all, it is a historical decision that will shape many countries’ policies in future.

“Just because the ruling wasn’t mentioned in the Asean joint statement doesn’t mean that the members are willing to ignore it,” she said.

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Analysts also said despite their willingness to defuse tensions, it remained challenging for China and its rival claimants, including the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei, to break the diplomatic impasse.

Huang Jing, of the National University of Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, said the negotiations between Asean and China over the code of conduct, which started in 2002, may also prove challenging.





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Equation

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“I agree that Beijing scored a small victory in avoiding a rebuke by the summit delegates as a whole,” said Jay Batongbacal, a law professor at the University of the Philippines. “But Asean-China relations turning a new page does not necessarily mean that things will turn out the way China expects.”

Hmmm....sound like a sore loser to me.
 
A much better way to build trust.

Let the Filipinos decide the morality of the Drug War in the Philippines. They are capable people and do not need condescending lectures. Things will sort itself out if the Philippines is a true democracy.


China helping PHL build rehab center in Nueva Ecija, Duterte says
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China has made good on its promise to help the Philippines build a drug rehabilitation center, President Rodrigo Duterte revealed Friday.

In a speech before the Filipino community in Indonesia, Duterte said that a drug rehabilitation center is being built in Fort Magsaysay in Nueva Ecija.

“China offered to build the rehab. I think they have already started in Magsaysay. They are bringing the materials there already ... only China ang magtulong sa atin,” he said.

“I would like to thank China for being generous to us,” Duterte added.

Duterte then explained that he has yet to build a rehabilitation center because he is operating on a budget approved by the previous administration.

“The budget does not include treatment and rehabilitation for 3.7 million drug addicts,” he noted. — RSJ, GMA News

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