China's SCS Strategy Thread

weig2000

Captain
On the individual level, it may be poor research. However, on the institutional level, it is propaganda. For example, journalists may be encouraged to copy from certain sources without bothering with any fact checking.

That's probably the mildest criticism, but I don't think that's how it works for most of the journalists in this case. The notions are preconceived, the conclusion is already reached, you just need to pick the words to serve them.

If most of the journalists out there can just add some brief statements to "balance" the report, I would be Ok:

The PCA is not a UN court nor even a UN organization. It's an arbitration organization. Its ruling or awards are only binding if both parties agree to the arbitration, which China didn't. China's refusal to participate in the arbitration is based on relevant UNCLOS articles. China like many other countries declare the exclusion back in 1996 on sovereign matters.

Then the journalists can bitch whatever they want: international rules, US pivotal-to-Asia, Chinese bully, blah blah.
 

tidalwave

Senior Member
Registered Member
So, a new survey just popped out in China
Across the country, anti_america sentiment reachs all time time since korean war.

This is serious. That's how suicide bombers started with anti America feelings
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The consistency of western media report would rule out any sort of innocent mistake.

That many people don't all of a sudden all make the exact same mistake all at the same time.

It's wilful censorship of key facts, like how you will never hear about China having exercised the UNCLOS provision to opt out of arbitration upon ratifying the treaty, and blatant spinning of the event to serve a pre-arranged narrative and purpose. Simply put, pure, unadulterated propaganda.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
So, a new survey just popped out in China
Across the country, anti_america sentiment reachs all time time since korean war.

This is serious. That's how suicide bombers started with anti America feelings

Hollywood movie studios are now must very nervous. They surely don't want to see their profits wane if their biggest movie audience outside the US start boycotting.:p;)
 

Phoenix_Rising

Junior Member
I see this less as China being forced to reject international norms, and more as typical western propaganda fabricating narratives to mislead their audience.

Deng Xiaoping's "Hide the strength" just worked too well. The entire western world still deeply believe that bashing or harassing China will result in nothing serious. I feel thrilled for how arrogant, ignorant and easy to mislead people could be, and angey about how people constantly repeat the mistakes from past.

Take a look what a behemoth they are fooling with!
There is a country, whose industry is larger than No.2 and No.3 combined. Her military budget is only 1.8%(official)/2.1%(SIPRI) of GDP.
What more are these vultures expecting? Forcing she serve herself in silver plates? HOW DARE!
Do they have any feeling about horror? Just imagine China's military budget rise to 4%+.
Russia's has such a ratio, and its economy is only 1/9 of China, same as Guangdong(Canton) province.

Isoroku Yamamoto had strongly opposed the emperor to intensify the conflict with US. When all his colleague mocking American unexperienced troops and fleets are rookies and cowards, his main reason was nothing about military, it was "USA provided almost every family a car".
A Burlesque won't change anything China determined to do. A script in Hague is nothing compare to these: China extend domestic railway network 9000km in a year, Chinese people purchase more than 24 million cars in a year, Chinese steel production is larger than No.2-No.20 combined, China is the only country who have A-Z category of industry......

The only reason of "1.8%" is that Chinese people and leadership still consider develop in peace as better option and current compromise is acceptable. But what if China's interest, rightful places, sometimes even very existence get continually denied?
People bless China, may their God help them all.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
I don't think it's intentional propaganda. Probably just poor research by the journalists.
The consistency of western media report would rule out any sort of innocent mistake.

That many people don't all of a sudden all make the exact same mistake all at the same time.

It's wilful censorship of key facts, like how you will never hear about China having exercised the UNCLOS provision to opt out of arbitration upon ratifying the treaty, and blatant spinning of the event to serve a pre-arranged narrative and purpose. Simply put, pure, unadulterated propaganda.
Exactly, willful ignorance/omitting equates to deliberate lie.
And we have seen the exact kind of people here in this thread not long ago.
 

Phoenix_Rising

Junior Member
For decades, despite those sinophobia bashing & fantasy, China has been quite law-abiding, since she could benefit from the current system, briefly "win in their game".
However, that doesn't mean China forget or unable to throw the chessplate on the face of cheating rival...
Method differs, afterall, power matters.

2 things in 2016 should be marked on history as milestone: The SCS arbitration and the marketing economy status.
In these 2 events, China was judged as lost, not because she doesn't play well in game, but others played the rules of game.
So, what China lost is nothing virtual: effective Chinese administration will gradually cover entire SCS, the trading discrimination to China can't go any worse and the competitive-power of Chinese product is still there.
What China really lost, is the belief of the equality and justice of "global rule".
The world largest trader and manufactor give up seeking lawful winning in current game.
or maybe it is not China's lost.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
I think I owe PCA an apology after reading the ICJ announcement
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) wishes to draw the attention of the media and the public to the fact that the Award in the South China Sea Arbitration (The Republic of the Philippines v. The People’s Republic of China) was issued by an Arbitral Tribunal acting with the secretarial assistance of the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA). The relevant information can be found on the PCA’s website (
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). The ICJ, which is a totally distinct institution, has had no involvement in the above mentioned case and, for that reason, there is no information about it on the ICJ’s website.

It seems that PCA was only providing secretarial assistance to that Kangaroo tribunal. In layman's term, PCA only provided a conference room to a bunch of Kangaroos. The Kangaroos may have to pay for it.:D

I wonder what will our resident "International Law expert" say about this development. It would be uncharacteristic of him/her not to stick around "defeating false assertion".:rolleyes:
 
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