China's SCS Strategy Thread

Equation

Lieutenant General
Dude, just when Taiwanese citizens were kidnapped in Kenya and transproted to mainland China for 'investigation' you're blabbering some bullshit about 'rules favoring colonial and expenditionary powers'??? Just cut this. Chinese judges will send you to prison if someone from the praty asks them to, not when you're guilty. And I bet Chinese people know that money rule in the courts more than any 'Western' citizen who will need more than accept the judge's ruling when it's against the law...

What about the US and their Guantanamo Bay "enemy combatants" that will never see a day in court? Oh yeah only China can do wrong because they're "communist".:rolleyes:

Let's just stick to the subject of the SCS instead shall we.
 

ahojunk

Senior Member
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2016-04-15 10:09 | Xinhua | Editor: Gu Liping

Missiles unleashed during a joint U.S.-Philippines military drill on Thursday have once again stirred up tensions in the South China Sea, but they won't undermine China's resolve to safeguard its sovereignty.

On Thursday, the United States revealed for the first time that it had launched joint South China Sea naval patrols with the Philippines.

In a show of military force, U.S. Defence Secretary Ashton Carter also announced that nearly 300 troops and five A-10 ground attack aircraft currently in the Philippines for the annual war games will remain in the country through the end of the month.

By increasing its military presence in the Asia-Pacific region, the United States is wading deeper and deeper into a regional row, on which it has promised to stay neutral.

Washington has sent its warships and warplanes to waters and airspace near China's territory in the Sea in recent years.

In late January, a U.S. Navy guided missile destroyer sailed within 12 nautical miles (22 kilometers) off Zhongjian Dao, part of China's Xisha Islands, without prior notice to the Chinese side. It was a clear violation of international law.

In March, the United States and the Philippines announced a deal allowing for a rotating U.S. military presence at five Philippine bases, including one close to China's Nansha Islands, also in the South China Sea.

Taking a lopsided approach favoring China's rival claimants, the world's sole superpower has clearly gone back on its words.

However, in addition to its commitment not to take sides, Washington must be reminded of one simple fact: neither muscle-flexing nor arbitrary intervention will shake China's resolve to safeguard its sovereignty and maritime rights.

Provocations, maneuvers, attempts to involve outsiders, or showing off a military alliance with Washington won't alter the historical fact of China's sovereignty over the South China Sea islands and adjacent waters.

In fact, military instigation only undermine regional peace and worsen an already tense security situation.

Manila should quit muddying the waters in the region and fishing for whatever is politically expedient by infringing upon China's lawful rights and interests.

It is also imperative that Washington fulfill its commitment of not taking sides on the South China Sea issue and allow the concerned parties solve the issue through negotiations in accordance with international law.

China believes in communication and dialogue. The country's aim has always been to solve the South China Sea dispute peacefully and has been steadfast in achieving this goal.

As Chinese President Xi Jinping has said, China welcomes "countries from outside the region" to have a positive influence on peace and development in Asia, but not at the cost of undermining anyone's sovereignty, including China's.

The already complex situation in the South China Sea requires sobriety and restraint, not intervention and narrow-mindedness. A wrong-heading approach would merely stir up trouble, eventually jeopardize regional stability and hurt the interests of all countries involved.
 

LesAdieux

Junior Member
And again this childish argument with 'Western controlled system'. ... What's next? That Japanese bought the judges already?

the japanese don't need to buy off the judges, the chief judge of the international marine court is a japanese who has been manipulating the court beyond its judiciary power to press the philippine case

China should hit back, the local court in Hainan should issue an arrest warrant and put the japanese on the wanted list.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I doubt Chinese side ever considered taking that to ICJ because most likely they would lose a case. Only fanboys in Chinese mainland talked about that in the Internet and it takes two sides to go to ICJ. China never proposed such peaceful solution. Japan tried that with Korea over Takeshima but South Koreans never accepted that as they would obviously lose in the court case with all the documents.

Dude, just when Taiwanese citizens were kidnapped in Kenya and transproted to mainland China for 'investigation' you're blabbering some bullshit about 'rules favoring colonial and expenditionary powers'??? Just cut this. Chinese judges will send you to prison if someone from the praty asks them to, not when you're guilty. And I bet Chinese people know that money rule in the courts more than any 'Western' citizen who will need more than accept the judge's ruling when it's against the law...

Dude, it's pretty obvious that the only thing you know about China is from western media.

First, China has proposed a joint exploitation of the Diaoyu Island region for decades, something that Japan has simply ignored.

Second, China had nothing to do with the Kenya incident. Why the hell would China care about a bunch of Taiwanese arrested for fraud? It's the Kenyan authorities who sent them to Mainland China because 1) they needed to be deported, and 2) Kenya doesn't recognize Taiwan sovereignty, and thus doesn't recognize Taiwan citizenship, and these people's last point of origin was in Guangzhou, so that's where the authorities sent them.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Dude, it's pretty obvious that the only thing you know about China is from western media.

First, China has proposed a joint exploitation of the Diaoyu Island region for decades, something that Japan has simply ignored.

Yeah which PRC proposed only Japan side of the border line not the entire region. Sorry but Japan is not interested in such kind of one sided deals.
 

ahojunk

Senior Member
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By Liu Feng | Source:Global Times | Published: 2016-4-14 20:58:01

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Illustration: Liu Rui/GT​


Recent years have seen increasing wrestling, both overt and covert, around the South China Sea disputes. With the US moving out of shadows into the spotlight, the tension between Beijing and Washington exacerbates. For countries sandwiched between the two major powers, there is less wiggle room for them to maneuver, and they are pressed to take sides. Once a crisis erupts in the South China Sea, no one can stay out of troubles. The reason why the tension is coming to a head is because the US is downplaying the creative ambiguity in the South China Sea.

The US is adept at taking ambiguous positions in its foreign policy. For instance, Washington has long insisted on ambiguity on the Taiwan question by striking a balance between the mainland and Taiwan. This can maximize US interests on both sides. Take the Diaoyu Islands dispute. Washington says it won't take sides between China and Japan, but it also claims the islands fall under the protection of the US-Japan bilateral security treaty. Washington is a master of its balancing act.

As to the South China Sea disputes, the US, an outsider, claims it doesn't take a position on the sovereignty disputes over the islands, but it has never stopped challenging and even confronting China over the matter. Washington's deeds are a far cry from its words. Moreover, Washington's acts in the South China Sea are leaving itself less chance to play the card of ambiguity. Under such circumstances, China's backlash is a normal response.

US high-ranking officials often accuse China of taking a vague policy over the South China Sea disputes and there is an urgent call for China to elaborate on its nine-dash line. China's South China Sea claim seems being stigmatized. As a matter of fact, China adheres to creative ambiguity over the South China Sea disputes, by virtue of which the region has remained peaceful and stable over the past decades.

China sticks to principles and maintains flexibility while defending its sovereignty in the South China Sea, the kernel of which is to avoid physical conflicts in the region. China's "ambiguity" in its South China Sea claims has contributed to the formation of a positive regional dynamic in which all claimants are able to be committed to social and economic development while the risks of territorial disputes can be reined in. If others disregard the advantages of an ambiguous policy and historical background, but push to clarify every detail, the results will probably be the opposite of what they expect.

China can make clear its claims from a legal perspective, but it keeps some ambiguity because as a country that bends itself to the peace and stability of the South China Sea, China eyes the big picture of geopolitics in spite of defending national interests.

But the problem is that countries like the US and the Philippines are challenging China's bottom line, disregarding the harm their provocations have brought to regional stability. The US conducted close-in surveillance of China while the Philippines, backed by the US, arbitrarily filed a case against China in the UN tribunal over the South China Sea disputes. As a result, China has to reinforce its management over the South China Sea as a response to the threats.

Once China clarifies the legal status of the nine-dash line, the US as an external power will find it hard to bargain with China over certain matters, and the Philippines will have to seriously consider the consequences if it refuses to return the islands and reefs of the Nansha Islands it occupies.

The South China Sea disputes are complicated. Taking an ambiguous policy is not the best option, nor the worst. If we allow more ambiguity in the South China Sea disputes, the parties involved will have more room for maneuvering.
 
Dude, just when Taiwanese citizens were kidnapped in Kenya and transproted to mainland China for 'investigation' you're blabbering some bullshit about 'rules favoring colonial and expenditionary powers'??? Just cut this. Chinese judges will send you to prison if someone from the praty asks them to, not when you're guilty. And I bet Chinese people know that money rule in the courts more than any 'Western' citizen who will need more than accept the judge's ruling when it's against the law...

Perhaps you should consider cutting your parroting of made up "kidnapping" accusations and blatant prejudice against China, instead try reading up on world history from colonial through modern times and follow how much deliberate bias favoring colonial and expeditionary powers continues to exist in the international system today.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Yeah which PRC proposed only Japan side of the border line not the entire region. Sorry but Japan is not interested in such kind of one sided deals.

Seriously, do Japanese schools teach this kind of crap or do you have to seek it out on your own?

It's not the Japan side, it's the disputed area!
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Seriously, do Japanese schools teach this kind of crap or do you have to seek it out on your own?

It's not the Japan side, it's the disputed area!

Nope since it's not disputed, ask anyone out side of mainland china and Taiwan or look into a map published by the UN or better yet a map published by CPC before the 70's, they all say it's Japan sovereign territory.
Get you head out of the sand and smell the coffee no nation beside PRC and Taiwan acknowledges your claim that it is.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
First, China has proposed a joint exploitation of the Diaoyu Island region for decades, something that Japan has simply ignored.
lol, they liked the idea. But together with Taiwan, not PRC. When PRC smelled money (resources) on the bottom of the sea they started claiming it was theirs out of the blue in 1972...
China should hit back, the local court in Hainan should issue an arrest warrant and put the japanese on the wanted list.
Don't drink and post...
What about the US and their Guantanamo Bay "enemy combatants" that will never see a day in court? Oh yeah only China can do wrong because they're "communist".:rolleyes:
Jesus, again that childish argument that 'US does violate international laws as well' crap. So what? US isn't perfect, there are books and TV shows about that all the time and it doesn't make PRC any more beautiful as well...
 
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