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I think we've already been through the matter many times. I've effectively said that it would be logically disingenuous to conflate the navigation of military vessels with the navigation of civilian vessels and you've to be the same or equal whereas you've stated a different position.
I was merely repeating my point of view and the point of view that China has stated in the past.
China has also been fairly consistent in saying that they have no issue with the FoN of civilian vessels but they do with military vessels.
edit: the way the FM have consistently stated it in the past, is "China is resolute in upholding navigation freedom in the South China Sea that all countries are entitled to under international law. There has never been any problem with navigation freedom in the South China Sea. Meanwhile, China firmly opposes actions that threaten other country’s sovereignty and security and move the region further towards militarization under the name of navigation and overflight freedom."
...and "China respects other countries' freedom of navigation in accordance with international law, Lu said, however, China is firmly opposed to any action that harms China's sovereignty and security in the name of freedom."
The above, in context, only makes sense when applying the recent history by differentiating between civilian and military vessels, from the Chinese PoV at least.
I don't remember ever concluding this conversation partly because Jeff in a way truncated it.
I will attempt to deconstruct your position as groundless from the standpoint of legal, logical and philosophical. Your underlying premise is an attempt to decouple the meaning of FON into "civilian" and "military" in that they are effectively separate entities rather than one.
FON in its most basic meaning is just that "freedom of navigation" i.e. freedom to navigate unhindered because implicit in that freedom is the notion that the high seas is a global commons. In other words it is an intrinsic right that belongs to all humanity. The moment that right is impeded in any form the notion of freedom is circumvented. That is the philosophical foundation behind the argument of FON. Once you place a restriction on a vessel it is no longer fulfilling the meaning of freedom as it is then restricted. Having said that, there is also a tension and recognition pertaining to the intrinsic rights and sovereignty of coastal nations. Within UNCLOS, the agreement that we have today reflects a grand bargain by extending the territorial seas from 3 nm to 12 nm; the creation of the 200 nm EEZ; and the high seas. The terms of navigation allowed in these different zones do not have the primary distinction between "civilian" and "military" FON. China's position is outside accepted convention both with customary international law and UNCLOS provisions. Also In international law, the norm is that what is not prohibited is allowed. This is also the reason why innocent passage was specifically defined to cater for a narrower state of passage. Even so, the distinctive feature is defined by a set of actions rather than the nature of the vessel i.e. civilian vs. military. The legal framework and the meaning within this structure do not support China's position either in meaning or in intend. Finally I conclude with the logical meaning of FON by simple application governing FON. FON is not a permanent state and from time to time that state must be protected. For example, the seas off Somalia frequently are subject to piracy and the notion of FON can only be guaranteed by military means. The moment you remove the military angle you automatically removes the notion of FON because of the normative cause and effect that is often in play. As to the point that China has not impeded civilian FON, I don't believe that is factually supported by facts on the ground say in the Scarborough Shoal.