China's SCS Strategy Thread

[votran]

An innocent question: if the U.S. Coast Guard is patrolling the South China Sea from Singapore & Philippines, who's guarding the actual U.S. coast? Or has the definition of "coast" become global now?

they don't need to . because nobody have balls or even logistic strength to piss US off by sending warship trolling around near US shore that include china

unlike china US owned their backyard via fire and blood . any nation inside US backyard dare to invite US's enemy weapon/militarybase/warship in gonna get visit by US navy/airforce tomahawk/JDAM right in the middile of capital city non-stop until they change their mind

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Whether anyone would dare to operate near the U.S. coast is irrelevant.

The issue is the principle. If the Chinese Coast Guard began regularly patrolling off the U.S. coast under the banner of "freedom of navigation," would Washington accept it, or would it immediately be labeled a security threat?

That's precisely the point. If China decided to "show the flag" by deploying its Coast Guard from bases in Cuba or elsewhere in the Caribbean, would it be dismissed as harmless symbolism, or would Washington see it as a direct security concern?

The standard shouldn't change depending on who's doing it.

The question would be capability. Without friendly bases in the vicinity of their intended operational areas, where would the CCG resupply and replenish while being so far away from home?

If Beijing intends for the CCG to be able to operate well beyond the immediate vicinity of the 1IC constantly, all while without having any friendly overseas bases to rely upon, then the CCG must be upgraded with the capability to sustain far-sea operational capabilities for extended durations.

To begin with, it's better for the CCG to start procuring enabler assets to support persistent coverage and presence of the CCG within and around the 1IC, and work their way from there. Which, in this case, procuring the CCG variant of the 903A AOR (perhaps through the utilization of semi-civilian shipbuilding standards instead of full military shipbuilding standards + downgrading of equipment and systems deployed onboard, hence reducing costs and increasing construction speed) would be a great start.

Going from here, the CCG can expand their structure and capabilities with coast guard variants of the 071 LPD and perhaps even the 075 LPD. The 071-CCG could serve as mobile bases for the manned (RHIBs) and unmanned boats housed inside the well deck that can be used for rapid response/interdiction and sustained surface patrols, whereas the 075-CCG could have MALE/HALE-type UAVs operated from it (where some modifications on the base PLAN 075 variant may be required) for long-endurance maritime patrol and surveillance duties in the sky, alongside a substantial number of helicopters for law enforcement and SAR operations.

 

[votran]

Whether anyone would dare to operate near the U.S. coast is irrelevant.

The issue is the principle. If the Chinese Coast Guard began regularly patrolling off the U.S. coast under the banner of "freedom of navigation," would Washington accept it, or would it immediately be labeled a security threat?

this world never a single day stop running by " i can but you not deal with it loser lmao" standard

yeah china can try if they dare but the question is can china withstand the economic backlash ? spoiler alert : lol no

US can trolling around china shore , put missile/warship in philipines/singapore because they know very well china post zero threat to US economy

there are no way china can destroy 10 milions+ american citizen wealth and lives to cause political instability and civil unrest inside US

but US and their allied gang can easily do it to china without firing a single shot

this is the main reason US/allied can but china not and everyone laugh at "China's final warning" ...include russia lmao

and im not even make that up

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[MortyandRick]

they don't need to . because nobody have balls or even logistic strength to piss US off by sending warship trolling around near US shore that include china

unlike china US owned their backyard via fire and blood . any nation inside US backyard dare to invite US's enemy weapon/militarybase/warship in gonna get visit by US navy/airforce tomahawk/JDAM right in the middile of capital city non-stop until they change their mind

this world never a single day stop running by " i can but you not deal with it loser lmao" standard

yeah china can try if they dare but the question is can china withstand the economic backlash ? spoiler alert : lol no

US can trolling around china shore , put missile/warship in philipines/singapore because they know very well china post zero threat to US economy

there are no way china can destroy 10 milions+ american citizen wealth and lives to cause political instability and civil unrest inside US

but US and their allied gang can easily do it to china without firing a single shot

this is the main reason US/allied can but china not and everyone laugh at "China's final warning" ...include russia lmao

and im not even make that up

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Lol this is some US fanboy crap. If the US and their allies can do it so easily, why haven't they don't it already to China? Why did ttrump pull back the trade war with China?

Why is he trying to beg China to loosen rare earths in Japan, if their "
gang can easily do it to china without firing a single shot" as so you say?

When Russia patrolled off the coast of Alaska, did Russia get "visit by US navy/airforce tomahawk/JDAM right in the middile of capital city non-stop until they change their mind" ?

Lol what kind of crap are you smoking there bud. This isn't a game of COD.

 

[votran]

Lol this is some US fanboy crap. If the US and their allies can do it so easily, why haven't they don't it already to China? Why did ttrump pull back the trade war with China?

Why is he trying to beg China to loosen rare earths in Japan, if their "
gang can easily do it to china without firing a single shot" as so you say?

When Russia patrolled off the coast of Alaska, did Russia get "visit by US navy/airforce tomahawk/JDAM right in the middile of capital city non-stop until they change their mind" ?

Lol what kind of crap are you smoking there bud. This isn't a game of COD.

because they still on top lol , most of the world still run by their standard , their order , using their currency as reserve currency , using their money transaction network allow them saction other so well to the point no one dare to host/allow their enemy navy access

why do you think whole lot of countries agree to host/allow US/allied navy access : station , resupply , refuel (massive boost US/allied blue water power) while refuse china ? lol ...even singapore the most china friendly nation in SEA lol

btw i can ask the same question if china don't scare of economic consequence cause by US/allied why so scare to fight and proven themselves in real combat ? lol

image having a huge military/navy but best thing you can do is spraying water and boat ramming in your own backyard (and lose) lol

while watching your rival go around bombing other freely without suffer any economic consequence include from you (because you too scare to do that) lol

lol off the coast of alaska , do you know the different between that remote land vs alot of rich coasta city in US ? next time go near LA , san francisco , NYC , miami please

and do you still belive US don't dare to hit russia back this day ? lol who behind half of milions (min count) russian military death in ukraine ? who behind constant drones , assassin , bombing , missile attack , oil refinery , ammo warehouse , airfield all over russia include moscow right now ?

btw how many american military service member china help iran kill already ? 20 yet ? lmao

lol five month of war . 15 US military death that gonna teach them a lesson for sure lol

btw : last thing you guy should bullshjt about is china don't scare of US/allied ability to cause political instability and civil unrest inside china lol
as if great fire wall and heavy censorship exist for no reason at all lmao

 

[MortyandRick]

because they still on top lol , most of the world still run by their standard , their order , using their currency as reserve currency , using their money transaction network allow them saction other so well to the point no one dare to host/allow their enemy navy access

why do you think whole lot of countries agree to host/allow US/allied navy access : station , resupply , refuel (massive boost US/allied blue water power) while refuse china ? lol ...even singapore the most china friendly nation in SEA lol

Nonsensical answer. If they are as powerful as you say, why don't they continue with the trade war against China? Why not stay in Afghanistan? Why retreat from Vietnam ?

If they're are so powerful, why did they tuck their tails and run from the Taliban ?

btw i can ask the same question if china don't scare of economic consequence cause by US/allied why so scare to fight and proven themselves in real combat ? lol

I never said China was that powerful, but you said the US was, so it's reasonable to ask why the US can't? So why can't they?

image having a huge military/navy but best thing you can do is spraying water and boat ramming in your own backyard (and lose) lol

Why not? It's called strategy. They have escalators dominance, they can just use grey maneuvers all day long.

Since you say the US is so powerful, why haven't they invaded Cuba already? Lol what kind of shit are you on?

while watching your rival go around bombing other freely without suffer any economic consequence include from you (because you too scare to do that) lol

lol off the coast of alaska , do you know the different between that remote land vs alot of rich coasta city in US ? next time go near LA , san francisco , NYC , miami please

and do you still belive US don't dare to hit russia back this day ? lol who behind half of milions (min count) russian military death in ukraine ? who behind constant drones , assassin , bombing , missile attack , oil refinery , ammo warehouse , airfield all over russia include moscow right now ?

I believe your exacted words were "visit by US navy/airforce tomahawk/JDAM right in the middile of capital city non-stop until they change their mind". Why hasn't Moscow stopped ? If Russia didn't attack Ukraine, the US would still not do it lol! You literally contradicted yourself

And wtf is remote land? The US cost guard shouldn't care if it was remote land to not, it's the US border. Are you saying they are too scared to enforce it off Alaska? Lol

btw how many american military service member china help iran kill already ? 20 yet ? lmao

lol five month of war . 15 US military death that gonna teach them a lesson for sure lol

Well it sure hurt Trump's pride. Why not just do ground invasion of Iran already, if the US was so powerful. Hahaha ALLL that power!!! But still can't hold on to Afghanistan or win a trade war with China! Wtf ?!?

 

[617ah]

because they still on top lol , most of the world still run by their standard , their order , using their currency as reserve currency , using their money transaction network allow them saction other so well to the point no one dare to host/allow their enemy navy access

why do you think whole lot of countries agree to host/allow US/allied navy access : station , resupply , refuel (massive boost US/allied blue water power) while refuse china ? lol ...even singapore the most china friendly nation in SEA lol

btw i can ask the same question if china don't scare of economic consequence cause by US/allied why so scare to fight and proven themselves in real combat ? lol

image having a huge military/navy but best thing you can do is spraying water and boat ramming in your own backyard (and lose) lol

while watching your rival go around bombing other freely without suffer any economic consequence include from you (because you too scare to do that) lol

lol off the coast of alaska , do you know the different between that remote land vs alot of rich coasta city in US ? next time go near LA , san francisco , NYC , miami please

and do you still belive US don't dare to hit russia back this day ? lol who behind half of milions (min count) russian military death in ukraine ? who behind constant drones , assassin , bombing , missile attack , oil refinery , ammo warehouse , airfield all over russia include moscow right now ?

btw how many american military service member china help iran kill already ? 20 yet ? lmao

lol five month of war . 15 US military death that gonna teach them a lesson for sure lol

btw : last thing you guy should bullshjt about is china don't scare of US/allied ability to cause political instability and civil unrest inside china lol
as if great fire wall and heavy censorship exist for no reason at all lmao

The biggest difference between a pirate state and a civilized state is that a pirate state thinks, 'If you can kill me, why don't you? If you don't, it proves you can't.'
A truly civilized state thinks, 'Why should I prove my ability by killing you? If I can win by doing nothing.'
You need five thousand years to learn this wisdom, kid. Did united statians learn nothing from the $300 billion tuition paid to Iran?

 

[manqiangrexue]

this world never a single day stop running by " i can but you not deal with it loser lmao" standard

yeah china can try if they dare but the question is can china withstand the economic backlash ? spoiler alert : lol no

US can trolling around china shore , put missile/warship in philipines/singapore because they know very well china post zero threat to US economy

there are no way china can destroy 10 milions+ american citizen wealth and lives to cause political instability and civil unrest inside US

but US and their allied gang can easily do it to china without firing a single shot

this is the main reason US/allied can but china not and everyone laugh at "China's final warning" ...include russia lmao

and im not even make that up

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The US started 2 trade wars with China and got its ass whooped twice; there is no economic backlash that the US can summon agaisnt China that China hasn't already defeated. On the other hand, China did one rare earths ban and ended America's second campaign. America's only threat to China today is that it has greater long range military capability. China actually does send intelligence ships near American waters and the last time, the US just said that it was in compliance with international law. China doesn't go further because there is no point or benefit to just antagonize. The US trolls China everyday in the SCS but China just keeps building and doing what we do without deterence and all it does is run up costs on the USN with no benefit to them.

China fights a smart fight; you lack the intellect to analyze it because you just think that the loudest mouth and biggest asshole is the winner.

 

[617ah]

they don't need to . because nobody have balls or even logistic strength to piss US off by sending warship trolling around near US shore that include china

unlike china US owned their backyard via fire and blood . any nation inside US backyard dare to invite US's enemy weapon/militarybase/warship in gonna get visit by US navy/airforce tomahawk/JDAM right in the middile of capital city non-stop until they change their mind

It's shocking that you can't understand the irony. If the US Coast Guard can patrol waters ten thousand nautical miles from the US mainland, then the Philippines opposing the Chinese Coast Guard patrolling a thousand miles from their mainland makes them look like clowns. Bro, you really need to find a community college, maybe Iran will pay your tuition.