China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

[wdl1976]

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why do you assume that Chinese are power hungry maniacs bent on taking over the world? its hypocritical for you to criticize china's foregin policy history considering that US has been the biggest meddler in other people's buisness. Can you even name a US president that hasnt 'policed' a foreign country since WWII?

I assumed nothing, if you read my comments earlier you will find.

"IF A MEGALOMANIAC COMES UP TO POWER"

Looking from world history a megalomaniac comes out once in a while from a destabilised country or region e.g Napoleon France revolution, Stalin Red October revolution, Hitler from the humiliation of Germany from world war 1.
Not to mention smaller ones from the countries no one cared about, but the country is too poor to make a global impact.

I also commented that invasions and Military assistance done were actually to protect mainland itself from the outside by creating a buffer zone around China. Anyone can see that China only intervenes directly to its neighbour.

Why USA militaristic, interventionist government was not considered a threat.
Just because they are the leader of the status quo.

If we continued this discussion in regards to USA I will guarantee you this discussion will lead to a political issue, so I will stop here.

In regards of Power Hunger and world domination, I never say they will or they was. I was only interpreting the current trend of Sino Phobia.
The base of their fear and not judging whether their fear is correct or not.
The problem with fear is caused by Mis information or not caring to find any information. Most people would judge based on what they heard not on what they can know. If you start researching into problems or fear etc you will find that it is not easy to make a judgement, nor it is easy to say one is right and the other is wrong. No such thing as right or wrong. There is only the lesser of evil or good.

 

[kunmingren]

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I assumed nothing, if you read my comments earlier you will find.

"IF A MEGALOMANIAC COMES UP TO POWER"

Looking from world history a megalomaniac comes out once in a while from a destabilised country or region e.g Napoleon France revolution, Stalin Red October revolution, Hitler from the humiliation of Germany from world war 1.
Not to mention smaller ones from the countries no one cared about, but the country is too poor to make a global impact.

I also commented that invasions and Military assistance done were actually to protect mainland itself from the outside by creating a buffer zone around China. Anyone can see that China only intervenes directly to its neighbour.

Why USA militaristic, interventionist government was not considered a threat.
Just because they are the leader of the status quo.

If we continued this discussion in regards to USA I will guarantee you this discussion will lead to a political issue, so I will stop here.

In regards of Power Hunger and world domination, I never say they will or they was. I was only interpreting the current trend of Sino Phobia.
The base of their fear and not judging whether their fear is correct or not.
The problem with fear is caused by Mis information or not caring to find any information. Most people would judge based on what they heard not on what they can know. If you start researching into problems or fear etc you will find that it is not easy to make a judgement, nor it is easy to say one is right and the other is wrong. No such thing as right or wrong. There is only the lesser of evil or good.

sorry chap, i guess i read your post wrong, my fault.

 

[BLUEJACKET]

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The two-hour operation under the command of the Chinese navy was part of a larger military exercise involving Bangladesh, China, France, Italy, Malaysia, Pakistan, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
It was the first time for the Chinese navy to lead and coordinate a multinational drill on such a scale, said Luo.
Although there were 12 vessels from eight countries, the communication and coordination went smoothly and they all performed professionally, Luo said of the operation.
The multinational naval exercise AMAN-07, or Peace-07, runs from from March 6 to 13.
Source: Xinhua

 

[Jeff Head]

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Vietnam result in US defeat

I will take issue with this.

The US withdrew it is true, but they did so starting in 1972 after abjectly bombing the North Vietnamese to the Peace Talks and forcing North Vietnam into an agreement, that at the time was a very postive outcome for the US and South Vietnam. At that point, for all intents and purposes, the US and South Vietnam had won...they had forced the end of the fighting on favorable terms. For all intents and purposes the Viet Cong at that time were finished, and the North ceased its activity in the South.

Two years later, when the North invaded the South, in violation of the terms of the agreement...the US simply kept withdrawing and did not counterattack. Other than some air support to retreating South Vietnamese forces, or those who stood and fought, the US did not commit any troop strength to stopping the invasion. That was a political decision...not any type of military defeat. While the US fought, they prevailed.

Quite frankly, IMHO, from a long term state department and impact on US allies around the world, the decision to not assist its allies when they were being invaded in violation of a signed agreement, was a disaster for US foreign policy that lingered and was a dark cloud over the US for many years. Reagan helped address some of it, but it did not really dissipate until the Gulf War in 1991.

Having lived through those years, I can tell you that this is actually what happened. Yes, there was a lot of opposition to the war here in the states, but most of that ended with the end of the draft. The US administration at the time, under Nixon, despit his other failings, took the war in the air to the North Vietnamese and prevailed. Two years later, the decision was made by a new administration to simply cease involvement. A lot of people friendly to the US died or were imprisoned in the worst of conditions imaginable over that decision, not to mention the images of US helicopters leaving as fast as they could as Saigon fell. It was a dark day for the US and has sown, justafiably so, lingering seeds of doubts in allies ever since.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

[BLUEJACKET]

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NVA aside, there was popular discontent toward unpopular & corrupt regime in Saigon- IMHO, without it N.Vietnam wouldn't have risked invading, after those events you described! The US decided it wasn't worth proping up S.Vietnam anymore- and indeed, SE Asia hadn't fallen to communism with the ecception of Laos & Cambodia. Now, we have active trade with Vietnam, direct airlinks, ship visits to Cam Rahn, and diplomatic relations- while that country is still ruled from Hanoi under the same NVA flag!

 

[fishhead]

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The Vietname war was all about China. But after Nixon visited Beijing, the war is irrelevent to the American interest, so the withdraw is inevitable.

The interesting thing is that US involvement in Vietname was based on the Domino theory, and it did happen. After the war Vietname almost annexed the Lao and Cambodia, and started to attack Thailand.

And it was China that checked the Vietname, what a history!

 

[bd popeye]

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[bd popeye]

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I found this article intresting. I think it is time for the PLAN to step up it's maritime patrols. The pictures are from navy.mil of course

US asks China to help maintain global maritime security
Agence France-Presse | Apr 5, 2007

The United States on Wednesday asked China to join a global effort to maintain international maritime security, as the Pentagon welcomed Beijing's navy chief Vice Admiral Wu Shengli on a rare visit.

Admiral Michael Mullen, the US chief of naval operations, called on Wu to consider "China's potential participation in global maritime partnership initiatives" during talks at the Pentagon, his spokesman, Commander John Kirby, told AFP.

Mullen was referring to the "1,000-ship Navy" concept, first proposed at an international seapower symposium in 2005, aimed at building -- on a voluntary basis -- a transnational network of navies, the shipping industry and law enforcement agencies to respond to crises or emergencies at sea.

The idea was tossed by two American admirals following the rapid international responses to the Asian tsunami in December 2004.

The United States, India, Australia and Japan, the four most powerful democratic nations in the Asia-Pacific region, joined hands in a swift operation to help in relief work during the disaster.

Wu "expressed interest" in the 1,000-ship Navy plan and "shared concerns in maritime security both regionally and globally," Kirby said.

The Chinese admiral "asked for more information" about the plan "so that he would better acquaint himself about it," he said.

Wu is on his first overseas visit since taking over the helm recently and the Washington trip comes just after the Beijing visit by General Peter Pace, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, aimed at boosting US-Sino military ties.

Mullen and Wu discussed "issues of mutual concerns", Kirby said, adding that the talks "contributed to a greater sense of transparency between the two leaders and our two navies."

Mullen, speaking at a Washington forum on Tuesday, noted that the Chinese were shifting from a "land-centric force to an air-centric and naval-centric force and clearly that force and capability has the potential to focus very much on the United States navy.

"So, clearly, those kind of technological investments have my attention," he said.

Mullen said the key was building up ties with China to better understand the nation as Washington had been doing particularly over the last couple of years.

"The key strategic issue for me is to have this relationship, understand strategic intent" and emphasizing about "transparency in what that strategic intent is."

Senior US officials have spoken critically of China's military budget, expressing concerns that the Chinese are under-reporting its size and that it is expanding too quickly.

China announced last month a 17.8-percent rise in military spending for this year to 45 billion dollars.

US Vice President Dick Cheney said last month that China's military build-up and its successful knocking out of one of its ageing satellites with a ballistic missile in January were "not consistent with Beijing's stated goal of a 'peaceful rise.'"

The Pentagon is soon expected to submit its annual report to Congress on China's military power.

Wu, who flew into Hawaii at the weekend, had an honor ceremony at Naval District Washington headquarters Wednesday before talks at the Pentagon.

On Thursday, he will visit the Naval Academy and on Friday make a trip to the fleet concentration area in Norfolk before returning at the weekend, said Pentagon spokesman Lieutenent Commander Jeff Davis

Pictured below;
Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. Mike Mullen speaks with Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy Commander-in-Chief Adm. Wu Shengli after a Full Honors Ceremony at the Naval Museum in Washington, D.C. on April 4, 2007 and presents him with a commemorative plaque.

 

[bd popeye]

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General Wu Sheng Li will now visit the US Navy Norfolk VA naval bases. The largest concentration of naval forces in the world.

I apoligize for the US DoD refering to the General as an admrial.

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Top Chinese admiral scheduled to visit Norfolk
By JACK DORSEY, The Virginian-Pilot
© April 5, 2007 | Last updated 11:13 PM Apr. 4

NORFOLK - A top Chinese admiral is scheduled today to visit Norfolk, where the U.S. Navy's largest concentration of forces is based.

Vice Adm. Wu Sheng Li, chief of naval operations, will remain in Norfolk through Saturday, a spokesman for U.S. Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Mullen said Wednesday.

The visit was initiated by the former head of the Pacific Command, Adm. William J. Fallon, who now heads Central Command, Mullen said.

In a televised presentation before the Brookings Institution on Tuesday, Mullen said he wants to be able to pick up a telephone and directly call the Chinese military leader during a potential emergency.

He mentioned an incident in October, when a Chinese submarine apparently trailed the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk undetected before surfacing nearby, risking a confrontation.

Wu met in November with Adm. Gary Roughead, Pacific Fleet commander, in Beijing, where Roughead said he hoped to better understand the intentions behind China's recent naval buildup.

The Chinese admiral was in Washington on Wednesday meeting with Mullen and other Navy officials, said Cmdr. John Kirby, a spokesman for Mullen. His visit to Norfolk will be a quiet one with no news coverage allowed, according to a spokesman for Fleet Forces Command, headquartered here.

The Navy declined to disclose Wu's itinerary while here.

• Reach Jack Dorsey at (757)446-2284 or [email protected].

 

[szbd]

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This 1000 ship thing is on Chinese newspaper now.

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Seems the response is not positive. There's no official stance announced yet, but a "name undisclosed expert" from navy command academy (海军指挥学院，the top academy in PLAN) said it's basically a US idea for her own interest. One country will have to sign agreement with US for joint use of base, intellegience, logistcs, etc. I guess what he meant is if you don't want to use US facilities and don't want US to use your facilities, you'd better not join this plan.