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USPACFLT commander visits the PRC

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PEARL HARBOR (NNS) -- Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet Adm. Gary Roughead arrived in China Nov. 11, making his first visit to the country as commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet.

During the week-long trip, Roughead is scheduled to call on the U.S. ambassador in Beijing and visit with China’s civilian and military leaders. He will also visit USS Juneau (LPD 10), which will be participating in a search and rescue exercise with the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy and making a port visit to the southern city of Zhanjiang.

“Enhancing our navy-to-navy relationships is especially important so we can cooperate in our many areas of mutual interest,” Roughead said. “Through routine dialogue and exercise, our navies can improve the ability to coordinate naval operations in missions such as maritime security, search and rescue, and humanitarian relief.”

Roughead’s visit to China and the upcoming search and rescue exercise build upon other recent activities, including the visit of PLA navy ships to U.S. ports, military personnel exchanges and a recent gathering of Western Pacific naval leaders in Honolulu.

Earlier this year, two Chinese navy ships -- the destroyer Qingdao (DDG 113) and oiler Hongzehu (AOR 881) -- visited Pearl Harbor and San Diego and completed the first phase of a two-part exercise between the two navies as agreed to in the Military Maritime Consultative Agreement.

The first phase consisted of communications and passing exercises off the coast of Oahu, Hawaii, Sept. 10 with USS Chung-Hoon (DDG 93) and a search and rescue exercise off the coast of Southern California Sept. 20 with USS Shoup (DDG 86). The second phase is to occur off the coast of China during Roughead’s visit.

These exercises contribute to improved working relationships and act as a foundation for increasing disaster responsiveness and promoting regional security.

The Pacific Fleet has an established record of working with regional navies. Earlier this month, Roughead hosted the 10th Western Pacfic Naval Symposium in Honolulu, a biennial gathering of naval leaders from the region, including China, that foster discussion on topics such as exercises, regional security, military exchange programs, humanitarian assistance and disaster relief.

“We are all professional sailors,” Roughead said. “The Western Pacific Naval Symposium brings regional naval leaders together to discuss matters of importance and interest that lead to enhanced regional security and prosperity.”

 

[bd popeye]

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More on the USN visit to the PRC

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USS Juneau, 31st MEU Arrive in China, Foster Military Relations
Story Number: NNS061116-10
Release Date: 11/16/2006 4:10:00 PM

By Marine Staff Sgt. Marc Ayalin, 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit Public Affairs

ZHANJIANG, China (NNS) -- Senior military officials from U.S. Pacific Fleet, Sailors of USS Juneau (LPD 10) and Marines from the 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) joined the efforts of strengthening relations with the Chinese military and local government after Juneau’s arrival here Nov. 15.

More than 900 Marines and Sailors embarked aboard Juneau, an Austin-class amphibious transport dock ship of the U.S. Navy’s Task Force 76, arrived here for a three-day port visit, and to participate in a joint search-and-rescue exercise (SAREX) between U.S. Navy and Marines and their Chinese counterparts.

Upon Juneau’s arrival, an officer’s call was held at the South Sea Fleet Headquarters here, where Adm. Gary Roughead, commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, and China’s South Sea Fleet Commander, Vice Adm. Gu Wengen, met briefly for an informal discussion.

During the meeting, both Roughead and Wengen discussed naval infrastructure matters, the possibility of conducting submarine rescue exercises and the overall future relations between both countries’ navies. Roughead also explained to the Chinese the importance of Juneau’s arrival.

“I believe by having Juneau here gives our Sailors and Marines an opportunity to learn about your country and will bring our navies closer together,” said Roughead. “By working together, we can add to the security, stability and prosperity of the region.”

Wengen also agreed that fostering better relations is important for both countries’ militaries and that the relationship can affect its people.

“This exercise is really beneficial, not only for our armed forces, but it is a need between the relationships of our two countries,” said Wengen. “I hope we can expand these activities so we can build more mutual trust.”

Local government officials from Zhanjiang also welcomed Juneau and its crew.

“The people of Zhanjiang cherish your visit,” said Zhanjiang’s Deputy Mayor, Chen Ya De. “I would like to wish the military service members from the Juneau good health and a happy life.”

Marine Lt. Col. Marcus Annibale, officer in charge of more than 500 Marines from the 31st MEU embarked aboard Juneau, commented during the meeting with the deputy mayor.

“The Marines are looking forward to this port visit, but more importantly they feel a sense of mission, being the first Marine Corps unit since World War II to visit mainland China. They will have a tremendous opportunity to interact with the local people, as well as both the Chinese sailors and marines,” said Annibale, who is also an AV-8B Harrier pilot assigned to Marine Attack Squadron (VMA) 311. “The Marines will also attend semi-formal receptions and give static display tours of their equipment to guests aboard USS Juneau. We hope for an endstate of increased understanding and respect for each other’s service.”

Later that evening, Chinese officials hosted a welcome reception for more than 100 Marines and Sailors at a naval lodging facility where Roughhead and Wengen exchanged gifts as a symbol of appreciation and to a continued relationship between both countries.

The reception closed a day of military visits by commanders and staff, and allowed them the opportunity to establish relationships before the scheduled SAREX.

 

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PLAN & USN excersise continues

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China, U.S. hold search-and-rescue exercise on South China Sea

The navies of China and the United States held a search-and-rescue exercise on the South China Sea on Sunday morning.

The exercise involved China's guided missile destroyer "Zhanjiang," fuel tanker "Dongting Lake," the USS Juneau (LPD 10) and the USS missile destroyer Fitzgerald.

China's Yun-7 transport plane and the U.S. P-3C patrol plane also participated in the exercise.

The two navies conducted communications, fleet formation changes and search-and-rescue exercises.

The basic idea behind the exercise was for the Chinese and U.S. navies to jointly locate a ship in danger and salvage it. The two sides commanded different stages of the whole exercise.

The Chinese side took charge of the communications and searching stage, while the U.S. side commanded vessels of the two countries to conduct the rescue.

The communications drills had been conducted at Saturday night in the waters east to the Zhanjiang Port.

The formation drill started on 7:30 a.m. and China's "Zhanjiang" and the USS Juneau completed four formation changes in about one hour.

On 9:25 am, the joint rescue excises began. The USS Juneau passed the order to the USS missile destroyer Fitzgerald to search for "Dongting Lake", the Chinese ship "in danger", after receiving Zhanjiang's signal for help.

The Yun-7 and P-3C were asked to help with the location mission.

On 10:25 am, the location of the ship "in danger" was confirmed and, about half an hour later, "the fire" on the ship was extinguished, the "damaged" ship body was fixed and the "injured" crew members received medical treatment.

"In the exercises, the two navies demonstrated very good military skills and strong cooperative spirits," said Gu Wengen, commander of the South China Sea fleet of the Navy Force of the People's Liberation Army.

"The exercise symbolizes more substantial cooperation between the armed forces of China and the United States, which is very important to the future development of bilateral military relations," said Qian Lihua, deputy director of the Foreign Affairs Office of Chinese Defense Ministry.

China has conducted search-and-rescue exercises with countries including Britain, France, Pakistan, India, Australia and Thailand. Sunday's exercise was the first ever held between China and the United States.

In the past, exchanges between the Chinese and U.S. armed forces have mainly focused on exchanges of high-level visits, personnel communication and regular consultations.

"The current search-and-rescue exercise is an important and substantial exchange activity between the two armed forces," Qian noted. "It has been of vital importance to expanding the Sino-U.S. military cooperation despite its limited scale in terms of troops and vessels."

Major General Peng Guangqian, a researcher at the Academy of Military Sciences, said the choice of search-and-rescue as the content of the exercise showed a trend towards more substantial cooperation between the two armed forces.

"Only if we make breakthroughs in cooperation at a lower level, we can further conduct more cooperation in some higher-grade areas including weapons and equipment technology and military drills in traditional security areas," he noted.

Visiting U.S. Pacific Fleet Commander Gary Roughead said, "The visit of the USS Jeneau is indicative of improved military relations and transparency between the People's Liberation Army navy and the U.S. navy."

He added that the exercise would be a good opportunity for the two armed forces to increase transparency.

China-U.S. military ties were broken off in 2001 when a Chinese fighter aircraft was damaged by a U.S. surveillance plane over the South China Sea, but relations between the two forces have been improving.

According to Qian, the two countries have carried out a series of exchange activities this year, with higher level personnel communications compared with the past.

This year has seen the most active Sino-US military exchanges in recent years, and the two sides are "satisfied" with both the quantity and the quality of the activities, Qian said.

The frequent joint military drills held between China and foreign countries in recent years show China has adopted an open approach in building its military, Peng said.

Sunday's exercise was the second phase of the first joint Sino-American search-and-rescue exercise.

The first phase, held in September this year, consisted of communications and passing exercises held in waters off Hawaii.

Source: Xinhua

 

[noone536]

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man why all nation accused china of over spending i mean if you come to think about it they are just upgrading their cold war or worl war two stuff and they also need the money to feed the military also even thought people accused of china for spending to much. china army still need more money so their machine could be keep up so i think military budget should be raise closed to US so china could better their equipment

 

[tphuang]

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a little preparation before the SCO exercise this year. Sounds pretty good to me.

MOSCOW. Jan 9 (Interfax-AVN) - Russian Ground Forces Deputy
Commander Col. Gen. Vladimir Moltenskoi left for China on Tuesday to
engage in preparations for a joint antiterrorist command-post exercise
(CPX) between armed forces from the Shanghai Cooperation Organization
(SCO) slated July 2007, Moltenskoi's aide Col. Igor Konashenkov told
Interfax.
"A group of Russian military experts led by Col. Gen. Moltenskoi
will hold the second round of consultations with SCO experts in Shanghai
on organizing a joint CPX in the Chelyabinsk region in the summer,"
Konashenkov said.
The consultations will deal with "a wide range of issues, from the
composition of the forces to be involved in the exercise to a plan of
delivering the military command bodies and the troops to the site of the
maneuvers," he said.
The first round of the talks on this issue took place in Moscow and
Chebarkul in the Chelyabinsk region in October 2006.
The exercises are to be held on the basis of the Volga and Urals
Military District.
Russia and China held the first joint antiterrorist exercises under
the codename Peaceful Mission on Shandong Peninsula in China in summer
2005. During the active phase of the maneuvers, the number of troops
engaged reached 10,000 people, including 1,800 Russians.
The SCO participants later decided to hold similar exercises in
2007 in a new format to involve all the member-states.
The SCO is comprised of Russia, China, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan,
Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan.

 

[wdl1976]

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man why all nation accused china of over spending i mean if you come to think about it they are just upgrading their cold war or worl war two stuff and they also need the money to feed the military also even thought people accused of china for spending to much. china army still need more money so their machine could be keep up so i think military budget should be raise closed to US so china could better their equipment

It is all about maintaining Status Quo in the world order.

Changing world order made some people uneasy - to the point of being afraid :roll:

Some country will lose power and domination, other countries does not care as it is China's internal affairs. Some other countries welcomed it.

 

[SampanViking]

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Tphuang

The exercises are to be held on the basis of the Volga and Urals
Military District.

Wow!!

I hope you guys understand the Political significance of Chinese Troops being deployed for Exercises West of the Urals ie in Europe.

This is something I have been waiting for and rather reinforces my view of the SCO being a proper strategic defensive alliance.

 

[Deleted member 675]

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It is all about maintaining Status Quo in the world order.

Yep. If Japan scrapped Article 9 and started buying/building cruise missiles, aircraft carriers and the like, China would probably be very publicly stressed. They even felt the need to comment over it upgrading the Defence Agency to a ministry - even Germany has a defence ministry!

Whenever a country sees another as a potential strategic threat, when the gap is narrowed complaints will be often be made. Then again I'm not sure I've heard Europe make too much noise about Russia trying to revamp its armed forces.

 

[wdl1976]

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Yep. If Japan scrapped Article 9 and started buying/building cruise missiles, aircraft carriers and the like, China would probably be very publicly stressed. They even felt the need to comment over it upgrading the Defence Agency to a ministry - even Germany has a defence ministry!

Whenever a country sees another as a potential strategic threat, when the gap is narrowed complaints will be often be made. Then again I'm not sure I've heard Europe make too much noise about Russia trying to revamp its armed forces.

I believe Rusia has been a traditional power house, and most the western europe defense (or at least left over from the cold war) were design and directed to stop an offense from the East. Basically they have a developed defense infrastructure to counter Rusia resurgence. Also Russia has big internal problems of their own at the moment, also the magic word "OIL" if western europe make to much noise a threat of closing the plug (and they will close the plug, it has happened a few times I think) would put them back in order. Politicians knew this, and they will not start something they can't win.

China on the other hands has a history of interference in other countries war to the point of sending armies to aid them and several invasions to other conuntries e.g. North Korea, Vietnam, India, Tibet supporting Nepals revolutioner etc etc. (I know the reason they intervene is to create a buffer and mainly protect the mainland) Honestly they are pretty successfull in these wars: Vietnam result in US defeat, Korea result in a stalemate. India was forced to withdraw from their border claim, Tibet fallen, Nepal in crisis.

This result from an "older and outdated" army. That means the potential of Red rising in the east should a megalomaniac goes back into absolute power (which is a possibility looking at the government structure) with a modern, well equiped and not to mention huge army. Would be ..... (finish the word yourself)

 

[kunmingren]

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I believe Rusia has been a traditional power house, and most the western europe defense (or at least left over from the cold war) were design and directed to stop an offense from the East. Basically they have a developed defense infrastructure to counter Rusia resurgence. Also Russia has big internal problems of their own at the moment, also the magic word "OIL" if western europe make to much noise a threat of closing the plug (and they will close the plug, it has happened a few times I think) would put them back in order. Politicians knew this, and they will not start something they can't win.

China on the other hands has a history of interference in other countries war to the point of sending armies to aid them and several invasions to other conuntries e.g. North Korea, Vietnam, India, Tibet supporting Nepals revolutioner etc etc. (I know the reason they intervene is to create a buffer and mainly protect the mainland) Honestly they are pretty successfull in these wars: Vietnam result in US defeat, Korea result in a stalemate. India was forced to withdraw from their border claim, Tibet fallen, Nepal in crisis.

This result from an "older and outdated" army. That means the potential of Red rising in the east should a megalomaniac goes back into absolute power (which is a possibility looking at the government structure) with a modern, well equiped and not to mention huge army. Would be ..... (finish the word yourself)

ff

why do you assume that Chinese are power hungry maniacs bent on taking over the world? its hypocritical for you to criticize china's foregin policy history considering that US has been the biggest meddler in other people's buisness. Can you even name a US president that hasnt 'policed' a foreign country since WWII?