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Massive EW can cause missiles to miss their target or fall out of sky. Every ships, submarines and plane should be armed with EW. With hundreds of machines turn on their EW... enemies will waste most of their missiles. Next gen or cutting edge EW is better than B21.

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[Blitzo]

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Chinese scientists have conducted comprehensive tests on the potential of kinetic energy weapons (KEWs) against US military tanks, revealing the possibility of a single shot disabling a tank even without visible external damage.

According to Chinese media, researchers concluded that a 20kg solid sphere moving at four times the speed of sound could pose a significant threat to advanced tanks meeting US military standards.

The kinetic energy carried by such a projectile amounts to approximately 25 megajoules, a seemingly substantial figure that, when converted to electrical energy, equates to just over 7 kilowatt-hours.

This energy, though seemingly modest, could cause irreparable damage to the inner workings of a tank, even if the external appearance remains unscathed, the

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The Chinese researchers refrained from explicitly naming the US tank but mentioned that the energy discussed would be sufficient to damage a 40-60-tonne US-operated tank, such as the

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The team discovered that critical components, such as bolts connecting essential equipment to the inner cabin wall, could fracture upon impact, rendering the tank inoperable.

Published in the peer-reviewed journal Equipment Environmental Engineering on December 8, the findings underscore the vulnerability of traditional military hardware in the face of evolving weapons technology.

The Chinese researchers said that high-speed kinetic projectile impact could lead to failure in specific locations of armored targets, surpassing safety limits recommended by the US military standard MIL-STD-810.

MIL-STD-810, also known as Military Standard 810, comprises a collection of testing techniques and protocols developed by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to evaluate the durability and resilience of equipment.

The primary goal of MIL-STD-810 is to guarantee that military hardware remains operational under diverse conditions it might face throughout its use. In the context of the increasing use of hypersonic weapons, defense systems often lack the reaction time needed to counter such high-speed attacks.

Unlike traditional anti-tank weapons relying on gunpowder, high-speed kinetic projectiles have the potential to inflict lethal damage even with grazing contact. The launching methods for these projectiles are diverse, expanding their utility in various scenarios.

The Chinese team also found that assessing the damage caused by kinetic projectiles differs significantly from evaluating conventional armor-piercing rounds.

While conventional rounds can be tested using a piece of alloy armor, kinetic projectile testing necessitates considering the entire tank due to the complex shock wave generated upon impact. This shock wave can lead to stress concentration in areas like bolts, causing distortion or fracture.

Revolutionizing Warfare​

Kinetic energy projectiles leverage high terminal speeds to impart significantly more energy onto a target than the inherent energy from the chemical explosives they carry.

Tank crews often position the front of the vehicle toward potential threats, aiming to leverage its rugged design. However, a kinetic projectile hitting this section could transmit destructive stress into the tank’s interior, jeopardizing firepower capabilities.

The researchers noted potential consequences, such as the tank gun stabilizer console losing grip, the console’s wiring base being completely pulled out, and severed connections between the fire control computer and the turret, resulting in a substantial loss of firepower.

Meanwhile, amid the escalating race to advance hypersonic weapons, the potential development of hypersonic kinetic-kill anti-tank munitions seems likely.

Interestingly, the US Army was actively engaged in this pursuit, dedicating extensive resources over several decades to develop hypersonic kinetic-kill anti-tank missiles.

Lockheed Martin, a US-based company, was actively developing the Compact Kinetic Energy Missile (CKEM) to outfit specific variants of the FCS family of vehicles, along with established platforms like the tracked Bradley Fighting Vehicle and the wheeled Stryker armored vehicle.

The CKEM garnered recognition for its perceived lethality in Line-of-Sight engagements. In a notable milestone in 2007, Lockheed Martin successfully

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the CKEM against a static T-72 tank, showcasing its capabilities.

The successful test against a T-72 tank equipped with explosive-reactive armor demonstrated that the CKEM, with its kinetic energy focus, could effectively neutralize a target even when faced with advanced protective measures.

However, the trajectory of the CKEM project took a turn when the Pentagon

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to terminate the Army’s Future Combat Systems (FCS) program in 2009.

This decision not only marked the end of the FCS initiative but also effectively halted the progression of the last known high-speed anti-tank missile project, putting an abrupt halt to the promising developments of the CKEM.

Thus, within the past decade, public discourse on this concept has notably diminished, raising questions about the current status of such initiatives.

Despite the apparent decline in public attention, the study conducted by China indicates ongoing interest and research in hypersonic kinetic-kill anti-tank technology, suggesting that the concept remains a subject of strategic consideration, particularly in the context of the evolving landscape of great power competition.

Overall, the concept of a hypersonic anti-tank missile, characterized by speeds exceeding Mach 5, coupled with a kinetic penetrator, can potentially be a transformative and game-changing anti-tank capability.

Massive EW can cause missiles to miss their target or fall out of sky. Every ships, submarines and plane should be armed with EW. With hundreds of machines turn on their EW... enemies will waste most of their missiles. Next gen or cutting edge EW is better than B21.

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More rubbish republished from SCMP

 

[HighGround]

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Seems like absolute rubbish, but I am curious about what report they are referencing. I can't find any link or direct reference to read the report.

 

[tamsen_ikard]

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Seems like absolute rubbish, but I am curious about what report they are referencing. I can't find any link or direct reference to read the report.

People forget Melamine scandal in China when Companies replaced milk powder with Melamine. So, replacing fuel with Water is not out of the question for Chinese corrupt officials. Its good that its being rectified though. Corruption is a common problem in "poor" countries. The kind of power these officials have compared to the kind of money they can make staying clean is just too low. So corruption is inevitable. Anti-corruption drive is ofcourse will mitigate this somewhat. But what will really change this is increasing salaries to a level that is appropriate for the kind of power they have.

 

[Maikeru]

People forget Melamine scandal in China when Companies replaced milk powder with Melamine. So, replacing fuel with Water is not out of the question for Chinese corrupt officials. Its good that its being rectified though. Corruption is a common problem in "poor" countries. The kind of power these officials have compared to the kind of money they can make staying clean is just too low. So corruption is inevitable. Anti-corruption drive is ofcourse will mitigate this somewhat. But what will really change this is increasing salaries to a level that is appropriate for the kind of power they have.

Exactly right. And better to discover and rectify the problems now rather than once the SHTF, as the Russian army did in early 2022.

 

[sunnymaxi]

People forget Melamine scandal in China when Companies replaced milk powder with Melamine. So, replacing fuel with Water is not out of the question for Chinese corrupt officials. Its good that its being rectified though. Corruption is a common problem in "poor" countries. The kind of power these officials have compared to the kind of money they can make staying clean is just too low. So corruption is inevitable. Anti-corruption drive is ofcourse will mitigate this somewhat. But what will really change this is increasing salaries to a level that is appropriate for the kind of power they have.

man you seriously believe on all these shit stories made up by the US journalists .. PLARF missiles filled with water instead of fuel. its all Propaganda machine. USA can’t get the hypersonic tests correct so they make up bizarre stories.

first they made up the story ''PLARF sold its secret to USA and Russian intelligence informed Xi Jinping'' .. now this story ''PLARF missile filled with water instead of fuel. The weird part is that DF missiles are solid fuel, not liquid fuel. The entire claim doesn’t even make sense.. disgraceful

and for your kind information Melamine scandal happened in 2008 and we are in 2024..

@HighGround last year, CMC changed the commander of PLARF. since then we have seen all these stories from western media..

 

[daifo]

US Intelligence mentions corruption.
Bloomberg's "unnamed" source: " rockets filled with water "

Likely scenario would be like "we need to replace our fuel (for our trucks) in our fuel depot because of water contamination" when there was none or some contamination. Fake purchase order and they just continue using the present fuel.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Well, a named (US DOD) intelligence source claimed that China has done more ballistic missile live fire tests in 2022 than any other country in the world. If water fueled missiles could do that, they must be some sort of magical water.

 

[sunnymaxi]

Well, a named (US DOD) intelligence source claimed that China has done more ballistic missile live fire tests in 2022 than any other country in the world. If water fueled missiles could do that, they must be some sort of magical water.

in 2021, PLARF did 135-150 hypersonic/ballistic missile tests

in 2022, PLARF did more than 170-200 hypersonic/ballistic missile tests

in last few years, China has done more ballistic missile live fire tests than any other country in the world. its more than entire world combined.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

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Seems like absolute rubbish, but I am curious about what report they are referencing. I can't find any link or direct reference to read the report.

Holy cr4p, now pretty much the entire Western PLA-watching community is furiously harping on the "Chinese missiles filled with water" claim. This includes many of the so-called "defense experts/analysts" and even a former Indian Army commander.