China to recieve an Export Waiver for the C-130

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The US is not going to outright lift the arms embargo. Like I mentioned before Obama has called for a review of trade restrictions to other countries. What you'll probably see is some items considered dual-use will be easier to sell to China. Anything with a solely military purpose will continued to be restricted.

The story about how advanced 5-axis machine tools could not be sold to China and how now Chinese produce them at half the cost killing US sales is probably a reality check. China is probably the only unsaturated market for high price ticket items produced by developed nations. And with this recession and China continuing to bust the myths making the developed world feel comfortable once, it doesn't look good for their trade interests.
 
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AssassinsMace said:
The US is not going to outright lift the arms embargo. Like I mentioned before Obama has called for a review of trade restrictions to other countries. What you'll probably see is some items considered dual-use will be easier to sell to China. Anything with a solely military purpose will continued to be restricted.

The story about how advanced 5-axis machine tools could not be sold to China and how now Chinese produce them at half the cost killing US sales is probably a reality check. China is probably the only unsaturated market for high price ticket items produced by developed nations. And with this recession and China continuing to bust the myths making the developed world feel comfortable once, it doesn't look good for their trade interests.
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Which in a sense... many hardware can be argued to be dual use. And many machineries that are use to make these hardware can also be argued to be dual use. Thus... in a more subtle way... the embargo was being lifted.

The only thing that I can think of that is of pure military usage are the missiles and most probably destroyers, MBT and nuclear submarines (carrying missiles of course)... well... most of these China can build themselves easily.

The only thing lacking might be the high tech sensories items like the MEM and other components. These items could be argued to be dual use too.

Well... China is a massive market with needs for all these items and why not sell them these... afterall, what is embargoment going to do? With current trend, China could develope their own, it is only a matter of time that they get these items. If anything that they cannot, they could still buy from countries like Russia, which I think if China wanted, the Russian will not refuse.

So why leave the market to Russia alone and not get in and eat the pie too?
 
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China welcomes U.S. intent to waive ban on C-130 aircraft export.

BEIJING, Oct. 15 (Xinhua) -- China's Ministry of Commerce (MOC) spokesman Yao Jian said Friday that China welcomes the U.S. intent to waive the embargo on the export of C-130 planes to China for use in oil spill response operations.

Yao said China had taken note of U.S. President Barack Obama's proposal to end the restrictions on C-130 military transport aircraft sales to China in a letter to the U.S.Congress on Oct.8.

The waiver of this embargo reflects a positive sign sent by the U.S. to promote its exports to China, and China welcomes all measures that are conducive to promoting the bilateral economic cooperation and boosting the bilateral trade, said Yao.

The U.S. government's export control, which started 61 years ago, has lead to trade imbalances in the manufacturing sector between the two nations and an unstable trade environment.

China hopes that the U.S. will further relax controls over the exports of high-tech products and adopt "fair and non-discriminatory" policies to China in the process of export control reform, he said.

China also hopes the United States to expedite the export control reform announced on Aug. 31, in order to boost bilateral economic ties with China and to improve its trade balance, said Yao.
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A new interpretation of this story has emerged which lessens the overall significance of the waiver.If this one is true,i think it means very little with regards to the trade embargo as it suggests there will be no permanent transfer of C130's.

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Two administration officials said that, in substance, the waiver is extremely limited and doesn't reflect a change in policy: It only allows C-130 planes to land, refuel, and take off in China for oil spill cleanup operations in China or in parts of Asia that requires transiting China.


"The president's waiver allows for the temporary export to China of C-130 aircraft only for the purposes of refueling and/or resupplying with oil spill chemical dispersants in China as necessary for oil spill response operations in the Southeast Asia region," said National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer. "No C-130 has gone to China or is being sold to China; this is just a waiver for a contingency plan."
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If China really wanted to get a C-130 they have many different ways of doing so, but by now it would not make any real sense considering the options both domestic and Russian that are available (and expanding).
 
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, yes it is. But, who knows, how long will it last. China should join to Ukraine and Russia in AN 70 project, and save time and fundings ...
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At the very least the Y-9 project will be completed in one form or another, more than can be said about most recent Russian projects.
 
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Re: the U.S will sell C-130 to China

montyp165 said:
At the very least the Y-9 project will be completed in one form or another, more than can be said about most recent Russian projects.
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I hope, but when, in 7-10 years maybe, such a venture is a big challenge for China. Their authorities should be realistic about this, and not to set unattainable goals for the engineers and industry in short term perspective. You just can't solve all the issues over nigt, I think WS-10 history proves this. AN 70 had been stalled for polical reasons, orange revollution and futher political turbulences in Ukraine. I believe AN 70 is firmly back on track again. Russia has little to do here, besides funding, main assets are ANTONOV and Zaporozhye Motor Sich. Russians are is trying to restart modified Il 76 production in Ulyanovsk, but whole thing is moving very slowly ...
 
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Re: the U.S will sell C-130 to China

samawat said:
I hope, but when, in 7-10 years maybe, such a venture is a big challenge for China. Their authorities should be realistic about this, and not to set unattainable goals for the engineers and industry in short term perspective. You just can't solve all the issues over nigt, I think WS-10 history proves this. AN 70 had been stalled for polical reasons, orange revollution and futher political turbulences in Ukraine. I believe AN 70 is firmly back on track again. Russia has little to do here, besides funding, main assets are ANTONOV and Zaporozhye Motor Sich. Russians are is trying to restart modified Il 76 production in Ulyanovsk, but whole thing is moving very slowly ...
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I actually agreed with samawat in this matter. True it would be a great feat if Y-9 was completed, and I don't doubt the chinese's ability to design and build a big aircraft. But why wouldn't the Chinese take advantage of An-70 and co-produce, develope this aircraft with the Ukraine.

It would certainly save time and cost and also let the engineers in China had first hand experience with designing of the transport plane. Then from there, they could kick off the Y-9 or even future Y-10 transport with relative ease.
 
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Re: the U.S will sell C-130 to China

rhino123 said:
I actually agreed with samawat in this matter. True it would be a great feat if Y-9 was completed, and I don't doubt the chinese's ability to design and build a big aircraft. But why wouldn't the Chinese take advantage of An-70 and co-produce, develope this aircraft with the Ukraine.

It would certainly save time and cost and also let the engineers in China had first hand experience with designing of the transport plane. Then from there, they could kick off the Y-9 or even future Y-10 transport with relative ease.
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Well we've all seen the pics of the Y-9 prototypes being fitted out (they're on Huitong's "transport" section), and it's due to make the first flight next year I believe.
It's been dragging not because of technological barriers but because the PLAAF's been ordering more High New platforms and Y-8Cs. Completing the Y-9 won't be that a great feat; I'd say it's more of a case of "it's about time they got their stuff sorted out".


The An-70 is kind analogous to the A400M, and if China wanted a joint venture they'd have to fork out more money again (note Il-76/78 deal), for an aircraft they do not necessarily have a need (what they do need is more C-130/J and Il-76/C-17 class transports). The Y-20 is supposedly also making fast progress, with first flight due about 2012 (the only delays would be the WS-118 engine, but they can use D-30's for the initial batch), so investing in the An-70 is kind of redundant.
 
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