China Takes home World Sniper Cup. 2011

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Again, considering there are 50 cal. sniper rifles on the US market, I don't see why the different ammo cal. would prevent it from being exported.

Chinese firearms companies actually prefer export orders to foreign civilian users as they can have a much higher mark-up than if they sold to the PLA or PAP. If there are foreign orders, the gun maker is not going to turn it down.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Again, considering there are 50 cal. sniper rifles on the US market, I don't see why the different ammo cal. would prevent it from being exported.

Chinese firearms companies actually prefer export orders to foreign civilian users as they can have a much higher mark-up than if they sold to the PLA or PAP. If there are foreign orders, the gun maker is not going to turn it down.


Simply put... it is because they're Chinese weapons. That happened long ago with the assault weapons ban. That was a major point to get it passed..
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
American laws. even with the sunset of the (joke of a ) ban chinese made arms would have too be modified exstencivly too meet american requirements a whole veritable assault course of red tape and taxes pretty much turn it into a loosing bargin. unless the maker can find a US company too inport key parts then manufacture a large number of the weapon chances are zilch.
oh and for the record a small number of states ban the sale of large caliber rifles most notibly, Californa
 
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tanlixiang28776

Junior Member
And the worst bite might be this: back in 2008 when Chinese team get pwned everybody knew China is behind the world standard by 20 years (that's according to the Chinese team's leader), but in 3 years they did more than merely caught up...no wonder they can't believe it.

It wouldn't of mattered if they caught up in 3 years or 30 years. The disbelief that they could lose to people they feel are inferior without them cheating is always going to be there.
 

Geographer

Junior Member
What a load of s###, every human being is prone to temptation. You can't point one country saying it's prone to cheating, and say its part of their culture. My mates cheat in their exams, and they copy of others, and guess what country I'm from Australia mate.
While the cheating allegations are too silly to spend time on, I want to address what you said here. Humans are born more or less as blank slates, where ever they're born, who ever their parents were. But social norms condition a person to what is acceptable and what is not. The academic cheating problem in China is well-documented and appears worse than in the West. There are many reasons for that, not the least of which is the huge weight given to exams well beyond their ability to predict student success. It's the same for common bribery with public servants. People who've lived in Asia or most under-developed countries must acknowledge a serious problem with corruption and bribery. i just want to state my thoughts here.
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
While the cheating allegations are too silly to spend time on, I want to address what you said here. Humans are born more or less as blank slates, where ever they're born, who ever their parents were. But social norms condition a person to what is acceptable and what is not. The academic cheating problem in China is well-documented and appears worse than in the West. There are many reasons for that, not the least of which is the huge weight given to exams well beyond their ability to predict student success. It's the same for common bribery with public servants. People who've lived in Asia or most under-developed countries must acknowledge a serious problem with corruption and bribery. i just want to state my thoughts here.

Although I am very interesting to learn from you why and how you didn't get some "holyday" from our beloved mods here, when everytime you post stuff like this... But that's not the main point of this post here...

The idea of "Human are pure blanket / paper when they are born, and get 'directioned' by the environment they lived" is one of the fundamental Confucianism principle - which I also agree.

Which comes to a rather disturbing conclusion - the hypes (drug addicts) population, over the whole overall population - developed country has a higher ratio than (certain) "role model" developing country like BRICS (may be minus "S", I am not very familiar with "S"), - which is well documented. That could lead to the conclusion that "something is wrong" or "they have this trend", in the "human development enviroment" of those developed countries. People who lived in those neighborhood in those developed counties, "must acknowledge a serious problem with" hypes - according to the "pure paper / blanket" Confucianism principle which Mr. Geographer and I shares.

I just want to state my thoughts here.
 
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MwRYum

Major
It wouldn't of mattered if they caught up in 3 years or 30 years. The disbelief that they could lose to people they feel are inferior without them cheating is always going to be there.

Eventhough by the documentary we can roughly tell how serious the Chinese in their determination to catchup such wide gap (stuff like events they previously unheard of, and experienced shooters have to unlearn old shooting postures, then train to using postures like those in the West), it's still kinda shocking what they could accomplish in just 3 years on their own, without foreign coach etc...they made up of 20 in 3 and let almost everyone ate humble pie, then proving it's not that they've a lucky year the Chinese kept up the streak.

And you ask them to believe the Chinese won with their fair share of sweat and skill? Hmmm...at least not for the bible belt red-neck cowboys...
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The China critics have a logic of "you either have it or you don't." Which is why they believed that the J-20 was impossible and would never happen. But how ironic when they point to such a fast learning curve for Chinese snipers to go from bottom to the top as a reason for disbelief and suspicion. They're contradicting themselves.
 
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