China should move

FugitiveVisions

Junior Member
My basic thought process is that the PRC is becoming a second super power thus it must exercise its right as a superpower to say

"NO we will not accept a two bit rebel group taking nine of our citizens putting them on their knees and shooting them in the head"

China must react to this and has the ability to react. China is setting on 1 TRILLION dollars in cash reserves and that is a fact. It should start spending some of that money in protecting its innocent civs through aggressive military action.

The fact remains that like the US the PRC needs natural resources to continue to expand its great economy thus it is absolutely necessary that the PRC goes out to other parts of the world and gets said resources. This is not a option or a choice but is necessary for its national life. This is going to require that it flex its military might when things like this in the horn of Africa happen.

further more posters are getting carried away by this 100,000 of china's best troops. This action would require around 10,000 PRC troops to include a heavy brigade for the punitive action against Eritrea. It would also need the needed air cover for air strikes against said OPFOR.

Eritrea is quite utterly a World War 1 type army with a dash of cheap cold war era equipment that would be steam rolled by PRC marines backed Type-96 Main battle tanks from elements of a Heavy Brigade.

10,000 PRC troops??? To do what??? They'll be fighting Eritea militiamen and the military that will likely just blend into the population and fight a protractive conflict. And then you will have Jihadists from all over the region frocking to Eritea for another front to wage Jihad. Utterly ridiculous.

If you haven't noticed, a primative army with no heavy equipment can incur damaging casualties. And Chinese armor protection aren't known for being the best.

China getting pushed around? By whom, the Eriteas? Lol. Eritea has been locked in a conflict with Ethiopia for years. This is not some attack aimed to disrepect China, but rather a attempt to weaken a hostile neighbor. And if you believe China is pushed around by Taiwan, Japan, the US or the EU, great, I'm sure a costly and risky venture into Africa is going to make all go away really soon....

China would not engage a total war, much less, rebuilt what they destroy.. just because of the actions of a renegate group. You think US invaded Iraq for freedom and democracy ? It is to install a Puppet regime to legalise their oil concession. What does somalia ethiopia offer ?

Now, I alway had the impression that China is the most picked upon country in the world. Most US mass media and especially BBC, who is the main culprit.. so I would agree on your point.. They would have a field day, or rather, months to years.

You keep point to Iraq as an example of why China should intervene in Africa...Ok let's just ignore the fact that Ethiopia's oil reserves can't hold Iraqi oil reserve's jocks, which experience from Iraq convinced you that it ought to be repeated, locking into a guerrilla warfare with the locals? Having to rebuild a government? Spending billions every year?

Yeah let's just blame this all on the evil BBC. They are the root causes of all problems for China. And the way to correct all these problems, such as the TI movement, an emerging Japan, a nuclear Korean pensinsula is to send troops to Africa. Now that's brilliant.
 
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bd popeye

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Now, I alway had the impression that China is the most picked upon country in the world. Most US mass media and especially BBC, who is the main culprit..

mobydog I can't speak for the BBC but I can tell you and so can others in this forum that live in the US...>>>>...China hardly ever gets a mention in the news in the US outside of some economic news or some neo-con running his mouth. China bashing in the US media? Hardly

In fact I watch the news everday on FOX or CNN and I have seen only one mention of this situation. And that was a banner at the bottom of the screen on FOX News.
 

FugitiveVisions

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mobydog I can't speak for the BBC but I can tell you and so can others in this forum that live in the US...>>>>...China hardly ever gets a mention in the news in the US outside of some economic news or some neo-con running his mouth. China bashing in the US media? Hardly

In fact I watch the news everday on FOX or CNN and I have seen only one mention of this situation. And that was a banner at the bottom of the screen on FOX News.

That's my impression as well. There's no systematic campaigns of China bashing going on in the US. There may be unsavory stories once in a while, but they didn't even make that big of a deal about the anti-satellite tests. That's why I find this notion of "China must break out of its repressed national pride by inserting itself in an African conflict" so difficult to understand.
 

bd popeye

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That's my impression as well. There's no systematic campaigns of China bashing going on in the US. There may be unsavory stories once in a while, but they didn't even make that big of a deal about the anti-satellite tests. That's why I find this notion of "China must break out of its repressed national pride by inserting itself in an African conflict" so difficult to understand.

Of course we agree about the US media. Honestly , they care little about China. But.. >>> Let some woman with big breast die at a young age under mysteroius circumstances and the US news media is right on that story.:coffee:

Once again, I think that China needs to show it can protect it's citizens overseas if the host nations cannot. Otherwise these terroist won't stop the killing and kidnapping of Chinese citizen. No offense intended towards anyone but..>>>.. Perhaps the terroist and pirates feel those PRC citizens working on those oil rigs are "soft targets".

Why don't those same terroist and pirates in and around the Horn of Africa attack American owned and operated oil rigs? I think we know the answer to that.

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f.hind

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mobydog I can't speak for the BBC but I can tell you and so can others in this forum that live in the US...>>>>...China hardly ever gets a mention in the news in the US outside of some economic news or some neo-con running his mouth. China bashing in the US media? Hardly

In fact I watch the news everday on FOX or CNN and I have seen only one mention of this situation. And that was a banner at the bottom of the screen on FOX News.

Living in the UK I actually find the BBC news coverage of China to be very fair and indepth, and indeed the tone has been positive and welcoming when appropriate. As someone with a keen interest in china I can highly recommend the BBC as a good source of news about it, or indeed for international news in general.

However accusations of an anti-american bias in the BBC's reporting is something I have heard several times from my friends from the states. Personally I don't really agree with this, although perhaps they are used Fox news :)
 
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kca90

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Say if.. those killed and kidnapped are Americans.. what do you think US would probably do ?


The Americans would hunt them down and kill them. Like what they did in the
Philippines when Gracie Burnham and her husband got kidnapped by Abu Sayyaf rebels in Mindanao. The Americans gave equiptment and training to Philippine marines. and also offered a $5 million reward for the HEAD of the leader of Abu Sayyaf. Today, American soldiers are still in the Philippines giving training and military assistance hunting down the remnance of Abu Sayyaf and other terror groups.
p.s.
The leader is already dead by the way.:nono:
 

kca90

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It is also rumored that American special forces joined during the hunting of
Kadaffi Janjalani( leader)resulting in his death.
 

FugitiveVisions

Junior Member
Fair enough. China sells Ethiopia some K-8s so they can bomb the heck out of neighbors without China getting involved. Or they can protect their citizens by having some Chinese troopers guarding the place. Or they can allie with Americans assets in the region to coordinate emergency responses. But going it alone in Africa has so little to gain and so much to lose that no one in their right mind does it anymore.
 

beijingcar

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Of course we agree about the US media. Honestly , they care little about China. But.. >>> Let some woman with big breast die at a young age under mysteroius circumstances and the US news media is right on that story.:coffee:

Once again, I think that China needs to show it can protect it's citizens overseas if the host nations cannot. Otherwise these terroist won't stop the killing and kidnapping of Chinese citizen. No offense intended towards anyone but..>>>.. Perhaps the terroist and pirates feel those PRC citizens working on those oil rigs are "soft targets".

Why don't those same terroist and pirates in and around the Horn of Africa attack American owned and operated oil rigs? I think we know the answer to that.

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I agree with FugitiveVisions on this one. China should not use military means as a response for this attack. I am Chinese, so please do not read the wrong way what I am going to say here. I do felt bad and sad for those Chinese workers died, but if you look at this way, every year, there are over 45,000 people die in China over industrial accidents, over 120,000 die over traffic accidents. Just 4 or 5 days ago, 4 Chinese oil workers died in Alberta, Canada, because of one holding tank fall on top of them. It was reported that there were about 400 Chinese oil workers work in this Alberta oilfield ( This is the first time I have ever heard the Chinese oil workers are in Canada). So 9 Chinese workers die in one attack is not that big a deal, just the price Chinese has to pay for blackgold.
As for what U.S would do in such a case as compared to China. We have to remember that China has nowhere near the global reach in military power that the U.S has. Even for the U.S, it took the U.S over 6 month to ship men and material to fight Gulf War I. The PLAF has less than 20 Il76 and about 80 Y8, how many C130, C5 and C141 the USAF has? As for use the sea for shipping, what the PLAN has got? 072 only have 15 days of endurance ( water and fuel), good enough to go to Taiwan, no good for going to Africa.
 

crobato

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In Afghanistan, I have read before about Taliban raiding and killing a number of Chinese workers. I believe it was like over 17 of them, and Chinese officials visited the site and to arrange the survivors some air lift home. The workers relied on some locals to protect them, and these were also gunned down as well.

The PRC also has a number of recontruction projects in Iraq, and PLA special forces (wearing shades and carrying Type 95s) were said to cover them. I remember there were pictures of one guy posted in the forums, and he had pictures where he posed with some Iraqi acquiantances and with US personnel. He hardly looks like your typical PLA. I also remember the top Iraqi official (hard to spell his name right) meeting a number of Asian leaders in Iraq and one of them was wearing a PLA uniform.
 
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