China-Pakistan finalize frigate deal

MIGleader

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China finalise defence deal

Islamabad, May 23
Pakistan has clinched a $ 600-million defence deal with China, which includes construction of four F-22P frigates for the Pakistani Navy, upgradation of the Karachi dockyard and transfer of technology for indigenous production of modern surface fleet.

The deal has been finalised and the keel for construction of the F-22P frigates would be laid at the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai this year, Chief of Pakistan Navy, Admiral Muhammad Afzal Tahir, who concluded a week-long visit China yesterday, told the state-run APP.

Under the deal, three frigates would be built in Shanghai and the fourth one would be constructed at Karachi dockyard which would also be upgraded to enable Pakistan to build its own fleet of frigates later.

Tahir said the first frigate would be delivered to Pakistan in 2008 and the other three by 2013 along with transfer of technology.

The frigates would be equipped with organic helicopters specially designed for surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles along with numerous associated self-defence systems, he said, adding that the “modalities of design and configuration are at the final stages.”

The four Chinese Frigates would be in addition to the four Pakistan Navy would be buying from Greece. The deal to buy four naval vessels from Greece was struck during the just concluded visit of Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz to Athens.

The frigate deal with China follow the two sides’ decision to jointly develop JF-Thunder fighter, which they plan to begin shortly. Also Pakistan Air Force plans to buy new Chinese made J-10 fighters in big numbers.

The acquisition of new surface vessels by Pakistan Navy in addition to strengthening its submarine fleet with French made Agosta submarines was seen as an attempt by Pakistan Navy to catch-up with its Indian counterpart.

Pakistani Navy has seven frigates at present compared to 13 of the Indian Navy and could match the neighbouring country vessel by vessel by 2010. It is expected to have 15 frigates by 2013.

In addition, Pakistan and China jointly developed Gwader deep see port in the southwest Balochistan close to Iranian coast, considered a strategic port designed to be a “listening post” to keep a tab on the shipping lanes of Arabian sea.

Tahir said signing of the $ 600-million frigate deal was a milestone between the defence cooperation of Pakistan and China. This is for the first time that the two navies reached a high-level collaboration to augment surface fleet.

The project, he said, also reflects the keen interest of their senior political leadership to deepen the defence ties.

To a question, he said China made marvellous progress in the defence production sector in the recent years and the quality of their products are meeting international standard.

Admiral Tahir said during his stay in Beijing, he had very productive meetings with Chinese Defence Minister Cao Gangchuan and other officials, and visited Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai and naval installations in Qingdao.

Chinese Defence Minister Cao Gangchuan assured him that the Chinese armed forces are ready to further strengthen cooperation with Pakistan, he said.

Admiral Tahir said China is Pakistan’s long time ally and main supplier of military equipment. Their defence cooperation has always been a source of peace and stability in the region, he claimed. — PTI

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finally, after all these years of talk, we have something. This deal is VERY symbolic, as is the first major naval weapons agreements signed by the two countires. And all of this for only 600$ million.
 

netspider

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MIGleader said:
finally, after all these years of talk, we have something. This deal is VERY symbolic, as is the first major naval weapons agreements signed by the two countires. And all of this for only 600$ million.

Is this going to be based on Type 054/054A Frigate, or like Thailand model - Chinese built hull with all American weapons?
 

maglomanic

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netspider said:
Is this going to be based on Type 054/054A Frigate, or like Thailand model - Chinese built hull with all American weapons?

F-22 is based on improved hull of Jiangwei class of ships if i am not wrong. I expect most of weaponary to be chinese based. There might be some additions in terms of western sensors (speculation on my part).

Like Mig said, it's very symbolic and shows future plans of China and Pakistan in Arabian sea and somewhat in Indian ocean to safeguard interests in Middleeast. All this is linked with gawadar port and it's importance.
 

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maglomanic said:
F-22 is based on improved hull of Jiangwei class of ships if i am not wrong. I expect most of weaponary to be chinese based. There might be some additions in terms of western sensors (speculation on my part).

Like Mig said, it's very symbolic and shows future plans of China and Pakistan in Arabian sea and somewhat in Indian ocean to safeguard interests in Middleeast. All this is linked with gawadar port and it's importance.

So F-22P is basically the same as Thai frigates whit different weapons systems? I was thinking that Pakistan would want more modern frigates, especially whit all that new Russian frigates entering Indian service…
 

DPRKUnderground

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Pakistan beter replace the SAM system. With the US giving Pakistan the Spruance and Oliver Perrys, Pakistan might as well go for an American SAM. Maybe the Sea Sparrow.
 

isthvan

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DPRKUnderground said:
Pakistan beter replace the SAM system. With the US giving Pakistan the Spruance and Oliver Perrys, Pakistan might as well go for an American SAM. Maybe the Sea Sparrow.

Well since Kortnaer( Elli) class also uses sea sparrow that would be best choice… If they are smart they could buy ESSM…
I also hope that they will not have the same problems as Thailand…
 

maglomanic

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f-22 has more to do with it's cheap price capable design and most important of all, indigenous production.
Pakistan is also buying Ellies from greece and probably looking at OHPs. I doubt if spruance will be ever acquired.
I also doubt if they will put American systems on f-22. The basic idea is independence from west atleast in partial fleet capabilty.
 

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name another country that's willing to sell you 4 frigates + give you the ToT on it for $600 million. PN did this because it's financially worth it. Not the greatest hulls, but then again, if you want a frigate at the level of Talwar, you are going to have to pay much 2.5 times the price. Besides, equip each F-22P with 8 C-802A, that's quite a bit of strike power for that cost.

The Thai Frigate is smaller I think (2200 tonne vs 1500 tonne)
 

maglomanic

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tphuang said:
Besides, equip each F-22P with 8 C-802A,
Isn't it C-803 according to SinoDef with 150 km range??
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"The Type 053H3 has two 4-cell launchers to fire the improved YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missile. The missile is said to have a maximum range of 150km and a final approach speed of Mach 1.5.

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Isn't it C-803 according to SinoDef with 150 km range??
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"The Type 053H3 has two 4-cell launchers to fire the improved YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missile. The missile is said to have a maximum range of 150km and a final approach speed of Mach 1.5.

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as I explained numerous times before. C-803 does not exist. C-802A = improved YJ-83 or maybe improved YJ-83 is YJ-8x (x something else now). The range of C-802A is quoted between 180 and 200 KM.
 
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