China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

SoupDumplings said:

You should note, this was what the map looked like back then. China at the time was also 8.3% of the world GDP, whereas modern China is 16% by nominal GDP and 17.3% by PPP GDP.

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Looking at this map alone showed the force China had to face back in 1900. If the MSM reports the world is against China then, that is closer to the truth.

But the MSM is trying to sell that narratives to their populace now. And nothing can be further from the truth as shown in the number of nations supporting China on the Hong Kong national security bill.

Also, whereas China's GDP was only 8% against the Western world, at a guess to be near 80% in total. Now, China us around 16% the West is hovering around 40%. And not all of these nations are willing participants. They, like Germany, etc would rather not follow USA narratives if given a choice.

So in summary, the situation has passed for sending another 8 nations armies to fight China. The last time equivalent to that iscthe Korean war. And boy, did the West got a bloody nose. The participants, other than the USA couldn't get out of there quick enough.

My father who was in Hong Kong at the time tell me it was a full time employment for labourers to transfer bodies from ship coming in from Korea to ships going back to the country of origin. I digress. Sorry.

gadgetcool5 said:

You are delusional if you think Biden's team means anything good for China. The problem for China in the US today is that there is absolutely no reason for any American to speak out in favor of China, other than purely money reasons which never win out in the end. Americans are not greedy for money. At the core they are a good, decent, kind-hearted, sentimental people, and they need sentimental reasons to treat China well, such as the belief that China is moving towards respecting human rights and democracy, that it is playing a stabilizing role in the world, etc. Unfortunately that is very far out the window and it would take a long time for a Chinese government to claw back goodwill in the US.

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This is some scary sxxt. The fact you actually believed what you are writing. "American are not greedy for money"! America is built on greeted is good. It's the epitome of the capitalist system. And as for the part, it's China's "human right" and "democracy".

Can you remind me what happened in Guantanamo bay? Or the Iraqi prisoners. How about agent orange? No, I'm not talking about the orange POTUS.

Yemen, Libya, Syria. So I go on.

escobar said:

Are you deliberately naive or do you really believe in these load of crap ?

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I don't often agree with your posts. But in this instant, I find myself uncomfortably in agreement!

hullopilllw said:

"respecting human rights and democracy" as in by toppling governments in the middle eastern continent and render them into failed states with millions of homeless economic refugees?

"playing a stabilizing role in the world" by keeping WTO court of dispute dysfunctional? And threatening to sanction nations if they are to impose a digital tax or dare to let Huawei get in their 5G tender?

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I felt like somehow we are whistling to the wind with this one.

manqiangrexue said:

I don't know; I'm not interested in those pointless threads. Either way, it seems you have no grasp of it from what you're saying here. What the US did to Japan was limited because that was enough to crush Japan so it had no reason to go further. Also, Japan's challenge to the US, as a leashed dog, was also very limited. China, on the other hand, challenges the US in every way at the highest level. If China was liberal and democratic, the US would make up other problems to accuse China of. Besides, China's not liberal or democratic and it will not become that for anybody or anything. The bottom line is that the only justification that the US needs to do anything to anyone is to defend its title at the top of the world. Only believably stupid people don't see that; not a single person here agrees with you.

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Exactly. It is like now they are defending Taiwan and Korea because........ They are democratic. But us older people here remembered that has not always been the case. Yet, the USA still defend those countries under different guises. Just like how they defend saudies and Yemen.

But when you do have a democratic country that happens to disagree with USA policy, they get toppled. Chile, Venezuela. Etc

escobar said:

Are you even serious? US is escalating and China trying to de-escalate and your are saying China roughly equal to USA?
Be realist instead of trying to project strenght you don't have.

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China is proposing that BOTH sides de-escalate.

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Plus you actually need to look at some of the comparative figures between China and USA.
Approximate figures below.

• Population: China 4x larger
• GDP: China is 30% larger on a PPP basis. China is 30% smaller on an exchange rate basis.
• China is a larger global trading nation
• China has a larger consumer retail economy.
• China has a larger manufacturing sector, which is still climbing the technology value chain.
• China has greater R&D spending, as per the National Science Foundation reports to Congress.
• China matching US military procurement spending, as per the latest SIPRI estimates.
• etc etc

You get the idea.

That is why your view of US superiority is analytically incorrect.
You even have difficulty acknowledging China as the equal of the USA, given the statistics above.

AndrewS said:

China is proposing that BOTH sides de-escalate.

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China is proposing but US don't want. So what is your next move?

gadgetcool5 said:

I know all about what US did to Japan. I started a whole thread about it, remember? But China is not Japan and there is a limit to what the US will do to a democratic ally. If China was liberal and democratic the US would NOT sufficiently suppress it from rising to the top of world powers. Only for the hardline China does it justify its complete containment policy with its allies.

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China being liberal or not, there will always be competition with US. US will defend its interest like every normal country. Don't bring those pueriles views here.

escobar said:

China is proposing but US don't want. So what is your next move?

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It's just talk so the world sees China as the responsible guy trying to de-escalate the fight. You are too focused on the superficial. At every level, especially tech, China is escalating by accelerating its development. That is what the US fears most. This is a very substance-based escalation in stark contrast to your superficial outwards chest-thumping escalation, which seems to be the only type that you understand. The next move is the same as the last move: out-grow the US in every parameter.

escobar said:

US will defend its interest like every normal country.

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True..... then US should stay in his neighborhood like every other normal country and not roam around over the globe with stick like a policeman...

escobar said:

China is proposing but US don't want. So what is your next move?

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China can't control what the US wants to do, very much the same way as to how the US cannot stall the inevitable fate of being surpassed by China.

escobar said:

China being liberal or not, there will always be competition with US. US will defend its interest like every normal country. Don't bring those pueriles views here.

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By "interest" do you mean the rights of hegemony adventurism? Or do you refer mainly to protecting US economic prosperity and way of life?