China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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davidau

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African-American and Latin-Americans have embraced Western culture the most. Their cultures have been destroyed by the West the most hence why they embraced the culture of their conquerors the most. Both groups also claim to be the most disenfranchised groups in the US and some even claim the world. So if surrendering to the West is so great and will be rewarded how come the two groups that have embraced their culture the most think they're at the bottom? Is this where the racism like of Hong Kongers comes in like we've seen over George Floyd's murder? Asians think they're different? Just look at the US where Asian-Americans who think they're treated like they're invisible in American society. So if Asians are different why do they think they're invisible? South Korean and Japanese have embraced the West more so how come they feel invisible? It's because they still hold on to their culture meaning the West isn't in control. Asians are not captured like African and Latino-Americans where they have no other place to go. Asians can choose to embrace the West but you can also choose not to later on. That's why they don't trust Asians. That's why they always pull out the loyalty card because having your own culture means they don't control you. They like the people that embrace their culture to have no other choices and that can only come from conquering and forcing no other thought to be allowed but of their own. They can't do that these days without looking like the evil of the world meaning even if you choose to embrace Western culture, they still can never trust you.

Asians look on in envy at American popular culture that includes African and Latino-Americans but not you. Maybe if you just surrender they'll let you into the club. You can stop looking in from the outside. You know why Black and Latinos are included there? They don't call it "popular" culture for nothing. In order for you to be successful in popular culture, people have to like you. And who are the majority there? Westerners. They get to decide if you're successful or not. It doesn't matter how well you sing. It doesn't how many home runs you hit or how many touchdowns you make. It doesn't matter how much talent you have. Ultimately your success is determined by if the masses like you. In other words Westerners are the ones in control.

The thing is about popular culture only the fewest people possible could ever be successful in it. That's its nature. The more people that are celebrated, the more it becomes diluted meaning less fame and less fortune so what's the point? So if your a part of a group where the only avenue to success is through popular culture because society showcases these individual few by how much wealth and fame they accumulated and there can only be a few at a time, that's means the majority fail at the attempt. They wasted their lives on something where they most likely were going to fail at anyway and they end up with the low-end jobs because they didn't value getting a degree or learning a skill because Western culture valued popular culture more. A scientist or engineer doesn't need the acceptance of the masses in order for them to put together a nuclear bomb. That's why it's so important for the West to get China to embrace Western culture.

So don't be fooled into believing that China surrendering to the West like others have advocated in here is all positive. It's equivalent to signing your soul away to the devil. The price is so much higher than what you get in return.


Why is it so important for China to embrace western culture? what western culture has to offer, except jingoism, sabre rattling, colonisation, wars, zero sum? Can't even control Covid-19 in their own country, because they are so full of themselves!??. But envious of China's excellent achievements of controlling the pandemic. Don't forget, despite US and other lackeys criticism, China deliver PPE to numerous countries including the US of A. not to mention sending teams of medical experts and PPE to Africa and other countries all over the world, big or small, and held online discussions and disseminations of information with medical experts around the world. Some western lying politicians openly blamed China for late dissemination of info, that is a total wanton lie spread to discredit China of its timely control of the pandemic. They should check the timeline of the spread. Science, not politics will determine the source of Covid -19, and time will tell. Western countries should learn from China, not the other way round!
 

zgx09t

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I appreciate this because it aligns with my core Islamic values. However, there is a tactically sound way to understand this story: The father should have educated his son on this principle, to make him less susceptible to influence.

Here's the reality: Foreign propaganda doesn't stay 'foreign,' especially in the 21st century. It penetrates into your domestic population. Take Hong Kong for example. It's been reported that the CIA was involved in HK to cause instability. This isn't exactly the first time the West has run PsyOps to destabilize their opposition (Eastern Europe, Latin America, Middle East etc.) This isn't a trivial tactic. They are exceptionally good at this game, because they know it facilitates a 'divide and conquer' approach. Massive empires have fallen as a result of this throughout history. So you have to be able to articulate your reasoning to your own people (at the very least) so that they are not swayed by hostile propaganda. Your own people need to be crystal clear on your motivations and justifications.

I'll give you another example from Pakistan's case. Indian narratives are blasted all over Pakistan through many different mediums. Just the other day a friend forwarded me a video on whatsapp which backed up an Indian claim, and asked me to explain. He was simply confused as to whether or not the Indian narrative was correct. Pakistanis themselves become confused as to what is right/wrong when they encounter hostile propaganda, whether from India or the West. It's not easy to counter propaganda because it requires the simplification of a lot of complexity and nuance. This is an actual problem. Those who don't take it seriously do so at their own peril.

Have you ever wondered, even for a fleeting moment, why there were no direct access to Google, Facebook, Fox news, etc when you lived there for a year as you claimed? Why every NGO and religious setup must be registered? China doesn't fully control what's going on outside her borders, but only within hers, in all depth, width and scope, bar none .
A mouse can't lecture a lion how to roar.
 

free_6ix9ine

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What is this? Your "I know you are but what am I?" counterargument? LOL I rebut the content of your posts and I'm "throwing a temper tantrum" while you answer none of my points in posting this, your most intellectually devoid one-line response yet. I think we can let the readers here judge who's the childish one...

Can you answer this?

"What does the US want from China for a good relationship? China needs to kneecap itself and its technological development so that it can't rise to challenge the US. What does the EU want from China for a good relationship? China needs to open its markets and let its young start-ups be crushed by established and experienced European businesses. What do the small countries around China want for a good relationship? They want China to give up Diaoyu, SCS islands, etc... Are you willing to give these things? If you are, that's for starters. Next round, they'll all ask for more continuous blood-letting from China to maintain a fragile sense of "good relations." In the real world, Chinese diplomats need to actually balance having however good relationships they can get without giving up China's interests."

Glad President Xi is taking my advice and not yours. Good night. look I'm not answering your questions, because we are talking in circles here. You have your opinion , I have my opinion. Let's just agree to disagree. Either way it doesn't matter what I think or what you think. How Xi wants to lead the country is his prerogative.
 
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manqiangrexue

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Glad President Xi is taking my advice and not yours. Good night. look I'm not answering your questions, because we are talking in circles here. You have your opinion , I have my opinion. Let's just agree to disagree. Either way it doesn't matter what I think or what you think. How Xi wants to lead the country is his prerogative.
You can't answer my questions because you don't have answers, tidalwave/adiru, just like you don't show evidence because you don't have any. Nobody listens to your advice, not online, and not in life. China always fosters close relationships with any countries that are willing and don't have ridiculous strings attached. It's better to have meetings like this than to not, but what did this meeting actually achieve? Any dollar sign in trade (maybe there was, and that wouldn't be surprising), or any German investment and contribution to Chinese tech? Shaking hands is fine and dandy but where is the meat in that meeting?

You have your opinion, which changes with every account, and every real member here shares mine.

But finally, you're honest about one thing:

"Im not an expert in semiconductor..."
 
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muddie

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Did that treaty allow CIA operations in HK? I doubt it. Besides, this is about proactively countering psy ops, which doesn't conflict with the CCP's patient approach, it helps it. This doesn't require an army, nor should it require letting HK "hit rock bottom." Also, it shouldn't be expected that the CIA will stop with HK. They will probably learn from HK, refine their tactics, and then apply them elsewhere...

Well, the silver lining with the HK situation is that under Trump's administration, the U.S. used the HK bullet they had but can't ever use it again after China's security law. Maybe Trump used it to try and gain a trade war advantage, but a different U.S. administration might have used the HK bullet (i.e. ignite riots at will) during another more crucial time for China.

HK has always been problematic for China and i'm sure the CCP is well aware of this. HK'ers protest everything and a large scale protest happens every few years. China has effectively put it's foot down this time and stopped it once and for all.
 

foxmulder

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There is a lot of anger directed against me here because I said we need to maintain relationship with EU and US. So let me lay it out for everyone why China and Chinese companies need a working relation ship with the West to continue to grow stronger.

US nominal GDP: 21 trillion
EU nominal GDP: 18 trillion
China nominal GDP: 14 trillion

Scenario 1: We maintain good relationships with EU + US:

Chinese companies have access to all 3 markets valued at 53 trillion.


Scenario 2: We have relations with EU but not US:


Chinese companies have access to 2 markets valued at 32 trillion

Scenario 3: Which is what some people are advocating here is we go into cold War with the US and EU.

Chinese company only have access to 1 market worth 14 trillion.


So in which scenario will China grow faster???? Answer this question logically please. Don't just spew the usual taking point "strength = bla bla bla".

Lastly, 4th party countries like SK, Japan will always side with US push come because EU and US market combines are wayyyy bigger.

US doesn't see China as a partner but almost as an enemy, period. It doesn't matter what China does. The best thing is to be strong so that you can have other options. You invoke "logic" but you are ignoring some facts.

If EU is smart (or any country for that matter) and logical they would choose the best thing for their people. In most of cases it will be more trade/wealth/collaboration and not some meaningless confrontation. Recent Japanese move not joining US regarding HK law is a clear example. Same with Germany not doing anything regarding Huawei or Merkel not going to G7 in USA.

Also, PPP is a more accurate way to compare economic size/markets.
What is this? Your "I know you are but what am I?" counterargument? LOL I rebut the content of your posts and I'm "throwing a temper tantrum" while you answer none of my points in posting this, your most intellectually devoid one-line response yet. I think we can let the readers here judge who's the childish one...

Can you answer this?

"What does the US want from China for a good relationship? China needs to kneecap itself and its technological development so that it can't rise to challenge the US. What does the EU want from China for a good relationship? China needs to open its markets and let its young start-ups be crushed by established and experienced European businesses. What do the small countries around China want for a good relationship? They want China to give up Diaoyu, SCS islands, etc... Are you willing to give these things? If you are, that's for starters. Next round, they'll all ask for more continuous blood-letting from China to maintain a fragile sense of "good relations." In the real world, Chinese diplomats need to actually balance having however good relationships they can get without giving up China's interests."


China needs to dissolve itself like Russia but even after that, since Chinese are not white, it will *not* be enough ;)
 

Mohsin77

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A mouse can't lecture a lion how to roar.

Arrogance doesn't make one a "lion." If you think China "fully controls" everything within its borders, then the only "mouse" here is the one living in your head. No country "fully controls" everything within its borders, and I can give you specific examples of dissidence I personally witnessed, if you wish. And by the way, any kid with a grade school understanding of the internet can get around blocked content. You can't block the flow of hostile propaganda from infiltrating your borders, especially for those who actively seek it.

Well, the silver lining with the HK situation is that under Trump's administration, the U.S. used the HK bullet they had but can't ever use it again after China's security law. Maybe Trump used it to try and gain a trade war advantage, but a different U.S. administration might have used the HK bullet (i.e. ignite riots at will) during another more crucial time for China.

HK has always been problematic for China and i'm sure the CCP is well aware of this. HK'ers protest everything and a large scale protest happens every few years. China has effectively put it's foot down this time and stopped it once and for all.

There's no doubt that Trump has done so much damage to US policy that in future history books on America, Trump will get his own chapter lolz. Although, I wouldn't credit Trump for making these policy decisions. Like all 'presidents' he is a mere puppet of the military-industrial-financial complex, and yet a good representation of his society.
 

AndrewS

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If EU is smart (or any country for that matter) and logical they would choose the best thing for their people. In most of cases it will be more trade/wealth/collaboration and not some meaningless confrontation. Recent Japanese move not joining US regarding HK law is a clear example. Same with Germany not doing anything regarding Huawei or Merkel not going to G7 in USA.

The view from Europe below.

In the Post-Pandemic Cold War, America Is Losing Europe
In the growing confrontation with China, Europe is starting to take sides—just not America’s.


A new poll from the Körber Foundation, released on Monday, is the latest evidence of this. The results are astonishing—and should give pause to anyone in Washington who sees a robust, united U.S.-led front against China emerging in the wake of this crisis.

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AndrewS

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China’s influence in Southeast Asia is growing — and the U.S. has some catching up to do

CNBC

The U.S. is playing catch-up to China’s growing political and economic influence in Southeast Asia, and that gap is expected to grow wider in the next decade, according to a report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The report was based on a survey conducted in November and December last year — before the coronavirus, which first emerged in China, spread globally.

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Tyler

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Korea declared they want in. No doubt India too, since they probably agree to any agreement to seek validation of a 'great' power status.
Australia...doesnt matter, she is already held on stranglehold by China, her economical future will be decided by the chinese.
The Koreans are probably too self-aggrandizing. Many Asians are now boycotting Kpop.
 
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