China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

nastya1 said:

You do realize China US and its allies relationships are rupturing currently. Cant go back no more past relationship.

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Yes and i say the so called alliance with iran is just theatrical until China show what it is ready to do for Iran.

escobar said:

Because everytime China throw Iran under the bus to appease US.
Exactly like when China accept sanction on NK thinking that will appease Trump.

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That was the case since the US threaten to sanction Chinese companies such as Huawei and ZTE, which china really do not appreciate. But now, Chinese companies are getting sanction anyway, there are no more consequences to openly support Iran.

In addition, Iran has been a major energy provider for India until US sanction, having the Iranian on the Chinese's side would provide China with a lot of political leeways on its border conflict.

But I doubt China would be militarily involved as Russian is already doing that. Instead, I'm more concerned with Iranian internal political struggles than its external conflict.

Iran is the last bastion in the middle east, as it is the last country that is not under US control or having a civil war. Losing it would force both Russia and China out of the middle eastern theatre.

manqiangrexue said:

Soviet economy was 10% of America's and the economy is the base for the military. You cannot be superior in military and tech without an at least competitive economy. I feel that the Soviets were creating a veneer of confidence through their aggression (and you bought that veneer) but inside, they knew that the things they did were just trophy projects without the ability to actually change the landscape of competition between the two powers. I maintain that they were aggressive in words, but not in actual military instigation (just like the US today) because they felt helpless and the need to lash out.

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A small point.

At its peak, the Soviet economy was 50-60% of the size of the American economy.

escobar said:

Yes and i say the so called alliance with iran is just theatrical until China show what it is ready to do for Iran.

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Iran current antiship missiles production are based on chinese tech transfer which in some ways enabled iran to hold off US navy from getting too close.

The new deal would most definitely include fighter jets.

China would rebuild iran infrastructure including road, telecom and highspeed train.

manqiangrexue said:

England's economy may not have been as large but it was healthy and technologically advanced while China's was backwards. Soviet economy was never healthy or advanced compared to US.

That's really not the topic for what could have happened. The point is why the Soviets were more rhetorically aggressive than the US and whether or not that's the same reason that the US is rhetorically aggressive towards China and I think is it. If the US saw weakness in China, it would never do the insecure things it does.


Quantity is a quality all on its own. Huawei still has the more resources and is growing faster than any other telecom company. 13.5% growth in 2020 H1, right through all the US ugly tricks and the pandemic. The US has no idea what to do with that.

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Soviet was still an industrialized country even thought its was bit less advanced than US. So it was not that lopsided in favor of one. The cold war lasted more than 40 yrs. To me it was so long it was like a stalemate.

Had China remained Soviet ally, its reasonable to assume Soviet still be alive.

China would be industrialized fully under Soviet and take care production of food and basic economic needs.

Soviet was aggressive due to their culture. Fighting culture.

Huawei vast stockpile of chip inventory enabled it to survive for 2 yrs. The true test for Huawei would be 2 yrs from now.

manqiangrexue said:

Just because someone is small does not mean his actions can go without consequence. There is no contradiction.

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Lol, Consequence because a country don't want a huawei product. So much hypocrisy, idiocy and incompetence. Your craving for China to be respected is so puerile. Well, UK say they fear consequence from US more than they fear consequence from China. They even want to base a carrier in Pacific. There will be no serious consequence for UK. You just show your impotency by making empty threat.

nastya1 said:

Iran current antiship missiles production are based on chinese tech transfer which in some ways enabled iran to hold off US navy from getting too close. The new deal would most definitely include fighter jets. China would rebuild iran infrastructure including road, telecom and highspeed train.

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I will consider China to be serious when they really sell the weapons. Until then, it is a hollow alliance.

escobar said:

Lol, Consequence because a country don't want a huawei product.

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Yeah, the consequence is that China doesn't want to buy UK goods, no Burberry or Astin Martin, things like that. Peaceful offense, peaceful consequence. Nobody's overreacting, threatening death and destruction for a failed business venture (assuming they actually remove Huawei by 2027).

escobar said:

So much hypocrisy, idiocy and incompetence.

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In your posts.

escobar said:

Your craving for China to be respected is so puerile.

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Never said a thing about respect; I simply said that there should be reciprocation. You have an over-active imagination, which hampers your ability to make any points grounded in reality.

And "puerile" is quite an advanced word for someone who doesn't understand what "incoherent" or even "history" means. Wonder what you think you just said to me LOL

escobar said:

Well, UK say they fear consequence from US more than they fear consequence from China. They even want to base a carrier in Pacific. There will be no serious consequence for UK.

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Well, that's ok if they want to act like a colony of their former colony, but they can't expect China's diplomacy with them to remain the same. Just because they fear the US more doesn't mean that China needs to provide them with business as usual.

escobar said:

You just show your impotency by making empty threat.

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Threat wasn't empty but it wasn't big. If you don't want to buy our things, we don't want to buy your things. Simple small reciprocation, easy to understand. The impotency is in your comprehension skills.

HelloBrigador said:

That was the case since the US threaten to sanction Chinese companies such as Huawei and ZTE, which china really do not appreciate. But now, Chinese companies are getting sanction anyway, there are no more consequences to openly support Iran.

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Don't be mistaken, there will be consequences if CHina openly support Iran. But China is not ready to bear those consequences

nastya1 said:

Soviet was still an industrialized country even thought its was bit less advanced than US. So it was not that lopsided in favor of one. The cold war lasted more than 40 yrs. To me it was so long it was like a stalemate.

Had China remained Soviet ally, its reasonable to assume Soviet still be alive.

China would be industrialized fully under Soviet and take care production of food and basic economic needs.

Soviet was aggressive due to their culture. Fighting culture.

Huawei vast stockpile of chip inventory enabled it to survive for 2 yrs. The true test for Huawei would be 2 yrs from now.

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The point is that the Soviet economy was over 50% the size of the US economy at one point, then it fell into relative decline until it was only about 10% of the US economy and it was less advanced and it was still in declining. The Soviets can see they were losing the ability to keep up in the long term and that certainly caused them to be uncomfortable. Hypothetical situations involving China are pointless. You can say it's Soviet culture to shout aggressively, I don't know, but the end result is that America was relatively calm/collected as they outgrew an outwardly aggressive Soviet Union. That's the parallel I see today.