China IRBM/SRBM (and non-ICBM/SLBM) thread

[ACuriousPLAFan]

And surprisingly it is simulated against neither F-16V nor F-15J but "unnamed" Rafale.

Could be hinting at the Himalayan Frontier against you-know-who.

Because other than the you-know-who, there is no other Rafale operators in the IndoPac region with deeply-vested interests of seriously trying to fvck with China.

And the chart has shown that it needs at least 7 ballistic missile to destroy a twin HAS even if the attacker holds a favorable condition on terminal velocity, CEP etcs.

Could be showcasing that using SRBMs/MRBMs/IRBMs to target individual HAS units with parked enemy fighters inside is a huge waste of munition, effort and material for the PLARF.

Perhaps the (only) viable solutions to prevent enemy fighters from ever lifting off the ground are to:
1. Strike at the tarmac within close vicinity of the HAS using warheads with large detonation and/or fire-causing-capabilities that can engulf and roast parked enemy fighters inside those HAS, and/or
2. Crater all the taxiways and runways of the enemy airbase, alongside measures that complicate combat repair works (e.g. deeper craters, anti-vehicle mines etc).

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Could be hinting at the Himalayan Frontier against you-know-who.

Because other than the you-know-who, there is no other Rafale operators in the IndoPac region with deeply-vested interests of seriously trying to fvck with China.


Could be showcasing that using SRBMs/MRBMs/IRBMs to target individual HAS units with parked enemy fighters inside is a huge waste of munition, effort and material for the PLARF.

Perhaps the (only) viable solutions to prevent enemy fighters from ever lifting off the ground are to:
1. Strike at the tarmac within close vicinity of the HAS using warheads with large detonation and/or fire-causing-capabilities that can engulf and roast parked enemy fighters inside those HAS, and/or
2. Crater all the taxiways and runways of the enemy airbase, alongside measures that complicate combat repair works (e.g. deeper craters, anti-vehicle mines etc).

the goal should be effective sortie reduction (quickly to 0) rather than taking out planes under HAS on the ground:

1. runways
2. air traffic control towers
3. fuel/ammo dumps
4. openly parked aircraft will always outnumber HAS aircraft
5. thermobarics to neutralize enabling crew

 

[Maikeru]

Decker Eveleth's long awaited PLARF ORBAT is now available.

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[Kalec]

Another MRBM/IRBM test this week, there has been four shooting windows and at least two flight tests in a few days.

Looks like consistent with the previous report last year that they are in an early stage of developing next-gen tactical missiles.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Looks like consistent with the previous report last year that they are in an early stage of developing next-gen tactical missiles.

Any rough idea on stats?

 

[Kalec]

Any rough idea on stats?

No idea, the only thing known is that CASC were competing with CASIC over 7 tactical solid motors last year.

Then you can do the math, 1 booster for each SRBM/MRBM and 2 boosters for IRBM. They could end with 2 new IRBM boosters & 3 new MRBM boosters / 3 new IRBM boosters & 1 new MRBM boosters. All of them are in very early stage presumably, looking to enter into service by the end of this decade.

 

[BoraTas]

No idea, the only thing known is that CASC were competing with CASIC over 7 tactical solid motors last year.

Then you can do the math, 1 booster for each SRBM/MRBM and 2 boosters for IRBM. They could end with 2 new IRBM boosters & 3 new MRBM boosters / 3 new IRBM boosters & 1 new MRBM boosters. All of them are in very early stage presumably, looking to enter into service by the end of this decade.

A small 2-stage SRBM would be very handy. Possibilities:

1- Rapidly deployable SSM to Japanese ECS islands. Would allow China to weaponize Japanese ECS islands like the US is planning to. (Medium reward, the mainland is available just 1000 km away)

2- The J-16 could likely carry and launch it.

3- If it really has VLSes, the 095 could carry a lot of it. IMO for a 400 mm missile and an SSN above 10k tons, 50+ is not impossible.

4- H-20 internal launch

 

[Kalec]

A small 2-stage SRBM would be very handy. Possibilities:

1- Rapidly deployable SSM to Japanese ECS islands. Would allow China to weaponize Japanese ECS islands like the US is planning to. (Medium reward, the mainland is available just 1000 km away)

2- The J-16 could likely carry and launch it.

3- If it really has VLSes, the 095 could carry a lot of it. IMO for a 400 mm missile and an SSN above 10k tons, 50+ is not impossible.

4- H-20 internal launch

Wait wait, hold on a second.

CASC mainly design ballistic missiles. (diameter > 1m) All those missile you are talking about is small missile, which are designed by CASIC or NORINCO. CASC only designs smaller missile for their own UAV or rocket launcher.

KD/YJ series are designed by CASIC and DF series are designed by CASC except for DF-16/21/100.

 

[BoraTas]

Wait wait, hold on a second.

CASC mainly design ballistic missiles. (diameter > 1m) All those missile you are talking about is small missile, which are designed by CASIC or NORINCO. CASC only designs smaller missile for their own UAV or rocket launcher.

KD/YJ series are designed by CASIC and DF series are designed by CASC except for DF-16/21/100.

Thanks for the info. Yet, I disagree here. As far as I know, CASC owns SCAAT. And SCAAT already has a missile that is quite similar to what I described. The WS-600L

It apparently has a modular warhead, fast reaction time, maneuvering re-entry vehicle, IIR terminal guidance, etc. It carries a 485 kg warhead to 290 km.

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In my opinion, with a smaller 250 kg warhead, even higher tech casing and fuel, and a 2-stage configuration, this missile could be miniaturized a lot. It weighs 3.350 kg as it is. Could be miniaturized to a sub 2-ton weight while having a 500 km+ range.

 

[Blitzo]

Wait wait, hold on a second.

CASC mainly design ballistic missiles. (diameter > 1m) All those missile you are talking about is small missile, which are designed by CASIC or NORINCO. CASC only designs smaller missile for their own UAV or rocket launcher.

KD/YJ series are designed by CASIC and DF series are designed by CASC except for DF-16/21/100.

I think he makes an interesting point, which is namely that as the PLA moves to develop the next generation of conventional/tactical missile systems, what sort of traits would they have.
Greater range, maneuverability, signature reduction, payload are naturally all desirable, but compactness, magazine size per TEL, mobility are also fairly important.

I could see them still going for relatively large IRBM-sized weapons (like DF-21 and DF-26 family weapons) with even more enhanced capabilities than they have today, but I could also see benefits for pursuing weapons that say, can achieve what would traditionally be considered IRBM profile capabilities but in a smaller, SRBM sized package -- as well as pursuing SRBM profile capabilities in an even smaller tactical weapons package... where smaller sizes enables better magazine size per TEL and footprint/mobility benefits.