China ICBM/SLBM, nuclear arms thread

[RoastGooseHKer]

The missile's strike range covers the entire world.

But so does the DF-41 and the alleged DF-61. Or is that DF-5C a fractional orbital bombardment (FOAB). But the warhead does not look like one at all.

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(if FOAB, then DF-5C looks somewhat like a refurbished 8K69)

Sorry I absolutely do not understand the purpose of the DF-5C formation. I am no expert in strategic weaponry. At first glance, it just looks like the DF-5s paraded in 1984 repainted in dark green.

 

[qwerty3173]

But so does the DF-41 and the alleged DF-61. Or is that DF-5C a fractional orbital bombardment (FOAB). But the warhead does not look like one at all.

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(if FOAB, then DF-5C looks somewhat like a refurbished 8K69)

Sorry I absolutely do not understand the purpose of the DF-5C formation. I am no expert in strategic weaponry. At first glance, it just looks like the DF-5s paraded in 1984 repainted in dark green.

Entire world means 21000km range at a minimum, that is beyond the effective trajectories of traditional ballistic missiles. 90 percent sure that its a FOAB system.

 

[hero]

But so does the DF-41 and the alleged DF-61. Or is that DF-5C a fractional orbital bombardment (FOAB). But the warhead does not look like one at all.

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(if FOAB, then DF-5C looks somewhat like a refurbished 8K69)

Sorry I absolutely do not understand the purpose of the DF-5C formation. I am no expert in strategic weaponry. At first glance, it just looks like the DF-5s paraded in 1984 repainted in dark green.

larger size able to accomodate more number of mirvs and more sophisticated mirvs

 

[Kalec]

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First measurement before higher resolution pic coming in.

Length at 18.5m with diameter 2.7-2.8m on assumption of a 1.6m diameter wheel, same as Russian TEL



It still appears to have a larger diameter than DF-61 despite only being a DF-31 variant.

 

[Tomboy]

First measurement before higher resolution pic coming in.

Length at 18.5m with diameter 2.7-2.8m on assumption of a 1.6m diameter wheel, same as Russian TEL
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It still appears to have a larger diameter than DF-61 despite only being a DF-31 variant.

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Well, BJ means silo missile so you'd expect it to be larger than a road based one

 

[bustead]

First measurement before higher resolution pic coming in.

Length at 18.5m with diameter 2.7-2.8m on assumption of a 1.6m diameter wheel, same as Russian TEL
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It still appears to have a larger diameter than DF-61 despite only being a DF-31 variant.

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This sort of tracks with the estimated silo diameters. New silos are smaller than DF-5 silos.

 

[Blitzo]

This sort of tracks with the estimated silo diameters. New silos are smaller than DF-5 silos.

Being smaller than DF-5 was always suspected, but that doesn't mean DF-31BJ would fill the new silos perfectly.

Which is to say, almost certainly a larger diameter missile will be developed to take full advantage of the footprint available.

 

[ZXW]

But so does the DF-41 and the alleged DF-61. Or is that DF-5C a fractional orbital bombardment (FOAB). But the warhead does not look like one at all.

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(if FOAB, then DF-5C looks somewhat like a refurbished 8K69)

Sorry I absolutely do not understand the purpose of the DF-5C formation. I am no expert in strategic weaponry. At first glance, it just looks like the DF-5s paraded in 1984 repainted in dark green.

my guess is that the commentary is bit misleading. my understanding is that the DF5C supposedly is an upgraded DF5 with more capable MIRV. My guess is the following:

Old DF5: single warhead 5MT (type 503). Take off weight around 180-190t. Range 13000km.
DF5B: 4 65KT warheads (type 535). takeoff weight around 200t. range 13000km.
DF5C: 6 65KT warheads. similar weight and similar range. There are also claim that the DF5C used new staged combustion cycle engines.

All the 5Bs and 5Cs should be modified DF5s manufactured during the 80s and 90s. there are a total 3 brigades (18 silos).

Also rumor is that a new type of solid fuel missile is in development to replace all DF5. It has a take off weight around 100 tons and can carry 2.5 tons of projectiles with a range of 13000km, that's around 9 type 575 warheads (15-20kt, 160kg each), together with decoys and RVs.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

There are also claim that the DF5C used new staged combustion cycle engines.

It doesn't. You can clearly see preburner outlets.

 

[ZXW]

It doesn't. You can clearly see preburner outlets.

fair enough. So I guess the 5c is basically modified upper stage then.
I seriously doubt that the point head shown at the parade is not 5C.