China Flanker thread

[Wingman]

Re: China Su-30 thread

It was reported by Kanwa, some Taiwanese news company. There was even a picture to go with that but I can't find it again. It's a picture of an Su-30MKK wreckage among some bushes and some Chinese officials examining it. More info (or rumours) here

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Although the pic is quite convincing, Kanwa is usually the only news agency that reports certain news items, no one else, so their credibility isn't that great. Some speculate they even get their info from Chinese military defence forums

 

[MIGleader]

Re: China Su-30 thread

I have to agree here with tphuang. There was a time that I thought the Russians would be unwilling to sell the Su-33 Naval Flanker to PLAN. But it looks like they are interested in selling that variant with all the goodies that go with it.

I think China's development of JH-7 will prove to be an overall replacement of Su-30, that is if the design proves to be reliable and can fulfill it's missions properly.

it's because sukhoi was desperate to keep its su-33 line open. with no other customers following Amiral kutznesov, they knew it was only a matter of time before the highly potent aircraft fell victim to financial problems. so they decided to make an improved varient and market it with vigor. perhaps sukhoi hopes that china will like the side by side seatin format of the su-33kub, tempting su-32 or 34 purchases in the future.

jh-7 might replace mkk in the ground attack role, but not the air superiority mode. the mkks, after all, are still the most capable fighters in the plaaf as well. perhaps china does not see a need for such a fighter, or j-xx is supposed to fufill that role(although i doubt it could have extensive a2g abilities if it has an internal weapons bay)

 

[crobato]

Re: China Su-30 thread

It was reported by Kanwa, some Taiwanese news company. There was even a picture to go with that but I can't find it again. It's a picture of an Su-30MKK wreckage among some bushes and some Chinese officials examining it. More info (or rumours) here

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I've seen so called Su-27/30 crashes but it turns out these are parts of J-8II and J-7 wreckage.

And KANWA seems a bit off. The first time heard of this rumor was not in the fall of 2004, but in the spring of 2004 to be more precise around March. There is a record of forum postings in the Keymags AFM forum to prove this. If the accident only happened around the fall---months later after I first heard of this alleged rumor---then that is rumor mongering BS.

The forum posting alleges that the accident happened in the Changsha base, which is not where the MK2s went but where the 18th Division MKKs are stationed. Unless said MK2 is not the PLANAF MK2s but an 18th Division MKK converted to the MK2 standard by electronics upgrades.

March is usually the time for accidents to occur because that month usually have exercises going on. A March accident usually is connected with exercises and the MK2 then would still be in their first deliveries and would not have participated in such.

 

[Wingman]

Re: China Su-30 thread

Oh, I think I found it again. Here.

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The pic is here. There's no way to tell if it's a Su-27, Su-30MKK or MK2...

It crashed right at the airport...

 

[MIGleader]

Re: China Su-30 thread

its an mkk. you can tell from the humped back.

wow, that looks like a really nasty crash, but not something that can be repaired using refabricated old parts and some new parts. interesting thing is that the aircraft is in the russian air force paint scheme, not the plaaf one. theres no telling if this is actually a chiense crash.

 

[Wingman]

Re: China Su-30 thread

WAIT A MINUTE!!!

I'm pretty sure this whole news about the PLAAF Su-30MK2 crash is a total hoax.

Look here. This is the Su-30 that crashed at the 1999 Paris Air Show

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Take a look closely at the two wreckages. They look exactly alike!!!

And MiGLeader you're right, it's also in Russian paint scheme.

 

[Red not Dead]

Re: China Su-30 thread

russia, russia, russia, what kind of junk are you producing?

The crash has happenned in France. In 99 during an Airshow because the US delegation felt right to send their demonstrator in the runway while the russians were still closing in.

Feel free to look after it.

 

[drunkhomer]

Re: China Su-30 thread

those dont look like chinese firefighters as well

 

[renmin]

Re: China Su-30 thread

its an mkk. you can tell from the humped back.

wow, that looks like a really nasty crash, but not something that can be repaired using refabricated old parts and some new parts. interesting thing is that the aircraft is in the russian air force paint scheme, not the plaaf one. theres no telling if this is actually a chiense crash.

Yes a nasty crash indeed but that is no Chinese fighter. That su-30 wheres the colors of russian fighters (trust me, I know). Almost all J-11 fighters of the PLAAF where the same color. a blueish gray. those dont look like Chinese fire trucks either. what I dont get is why China would claim for something like a plane crash and make themselves look bad.

 

[Wingman]

Re: China Su-30 thread

what I dont get is why China would claim for something like a plane crash and make themselves look bad.

It wasn't the PRC that claimed this crash, it was Kanwa which is a Taiwanese news agency (and somewhat anti-PRC I believe) that claimed this. And then some other internet-based news sites copied Kanwa's news and reported the same thing.

Anyway I'm 99% sure this photo is from the 1999 Paris Air Show accident and not a Chinese Su-30MK2. Also the accident at the Paris Air Show happened due to pilot error, it was not due to faulty equipment.