China Flanker Thread III (land based, exclude J-15)

[Syrida2887]

The model appeared in the program is F-22, but it can't be proved that the model actually driven away is this model, because it has hardly been stationed in the Asia-Pacific region.
Correction: It was deployed in kadena air force base.

 

[arthur2046]

The video states that this has been the one and only encounter so far, and after this incident, that type of aircraft has never reappeared in China's near seas. This actually suggests they were F-22s, because encounters with F-35s have occurred more than once.

In the documentary, a PLAAF pilot claimed that he contacted "two foreign stealth fighters" and locked them away during the offshore flight training while driving the J -16, and also mentioned that the aircraft did not approach the offshore area again after this time.
【歼16倒飞锁定两架F35将其驱离 从此F35就没有在中国近海附近出现过-哔哩哔哩】

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[siegecrossbow]

Yankee said it's indeed F-22s. I'm not gonna post a screenshot 'cause the comment got deleted, but a screenshot is somewhere if you know where to look.

They need to improve training for basic BFM if this is the case. I know that in modern aerial combat BVR is paramount but there is no excuse getting owned WVR by a twin seat flanker two vs one when you have one of the most maneuverable planes on the planet.

 

[xiabonan]

Yangkee implied that they are F-22s.

This particular post was deleted but Yankee in a more recent post said it was deleted presumably by the site not him. Then he replied to a comment attaching a screenshot of this post and said "其实报道里“有且仅有一次的碰面”就等于公布答案了" which means "actually the report said 'there was one but only one encounter' is basically revealing the answer' again suggesting it's F-22s.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Turns out that NAFO shitposter ZWZ photoshopped an internal document to make F-35 look good. Separate incident from 2023.

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[xiabonan]

Turns out that NAFO shitposter ZWZ photoshopped an internal document to make F-35 look good. Separate incident from 2023.

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Yes and in this photo Ayi posted it actually said during an engagement between two J-16s and two F-35s the J-16s were able to occupy an attack position and the F-35's maneuverability was lacking compared to the J-16s.

 

[arthur2046]

They need to improve training for basic BFM if this is the case. I know that in modern aerial combat BVR is paramount but there is no excuse getting owned WVR by a twin seat flanker two vs one when you have one of the most maneuverable planes on the planet.

The result should be 2-0, not 2-1. The pilot in the video stated, "他另外一架飞机就强行地脱离空战圈过来锁定我“ which means the other aircraft then forcibly broke away from the air combat circle to lock onto me. It does not indicate that the J-16 was locked on.

 

[siegecrossbow]

The result should be 2-0, not 2-1. The narrator in the video stated, "他另外一架飞机就强行地脱离空战圈过来锁定我“ which means the other aircraft then forcibly broke away from the air combat circle to lock onto me. It does not indicate that the J-16 was locked on.

My point is that it is one plane versus two planes, not that this is the score.

 

[arthur2046]

My point is that it is one plane versus two planes, not that this is the score.

Sorry for my misunderstanding. However, the pilot in the video mentioned that China also had two aircraft.

 

[Blitzo]

My point is that it is one plane versus two planes, not that this is the score.

Sounds like he had a wingman against the two "opfor" aircraft as he mentions "our two aircraft".





Though it's still possible that this pilot was able to gain a solution on the two "opfor" aircraft at the same time by virtue of good maneuvering between him and his wingman; but in the tactical BFM scenario it would be considered a 2 v 2.



The question is more whether the two opfor aircraft could be the F-35s described in the document from before (two J-16s and two "opfor" could conceivably be F-35s), or alternatively if Yankee or others are strongly suggesting they are F-22s then that of course would be more notable.