China Flanker Thread II

[Schwerter_]

Do we know for sure that Chinese electronics onboard flankers are built fundamentally differently?
I.e. not separate (federated) subsystems, but main computers and so on?
B/c there is a certain level of intrusion from which you basically have to spend as much money as a new plane will cost(with most flight tests needed anew) - only to get the very same plane in the end.

There have been various sources confirming that since J-11B (AKA J-11A is not like this) Sino-flankers have used a MIL-STD-1553-esque bus that China effectively learnt during the 1980s when there were some quite extensive tech exchanges between China and the US. In particular I remember Yankeesama saying this in a podcast with Shilao last month. I’ll throw the link here once I confirm this is indeed true


Edit：link is here

At 1:26:45 when talking about why the J-11B wasn’t multirole capable Shilao (not Yankeesama, sorry about that) mentioned MIL-STD-1553B. It’s not as decisive as “J-11B is equipped with this” but from his words it can be easily inferred that J-11B is equipped with said bus. There may also be other mentions of this topic in the podcast, if anyone notices anything don’t hesitate to point them out!

 

[clockwork]

@Loveleenkr can you please elucidate us proles what in your infinite wisdom is funny about this post?

He's a bot lol, on this forum 24/7 and reacts to everything

 

[by78]

A line of J-16s, a mix of gray and new white radomes.

 

[HeroOftheFerelden]

A line of J-16s, a mix of gray and new white radomes.

I believe these were J-16s from the 7th Brigade when they were stationed at LianCheng AB, Fujian.

Regarding the 7th Brigade, after at least 4 years been away from their home base for convertion training, parade display and combat deployment, they just moved back to the newly renovated RuGao AB.

 

[sunnymaxi]

 

[siegecrossbow]

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Going off on a tangent here. In an anecdote by Yankeesama and ShiLao when the J-16 first entered service it wasn’t received with too much enthusiasm initially by the pilots since outwardly it was just another flanker. That changed when the pilots took off and started snooping around with the AESA radar, which allowed them to track and lock a J-7 taking off from a base X hundred kilometers away. The J-7 pilot promptly freaked out since there is no report of PLAAF fighter activity in the near vicinity, and took evasive actions. He was later commended for quick on the spot thinking and response.

 

[stannislas]

Going off on a tangent here. In an anecdote by Yankeesama and ShiLao when the J-16 first entered service it wasn’t received with too much enthusiasm initially by the pilots since outwardly it was just another flanker. That changed when the pilots took off and started snooping around with the AESA radar, which allowed them to track and lock a J-7 taking off from a base X hundred kilometers away. The J-7 pilot promptly freaked out since there is no report of PLAAF fighter activity in the near vicinity, and took evasive actions. He was later commended for quick on the spot thinking and response.

yep, but now everyone was like: why i'm getting J-16 and J-10C? WHERE IS MY J-20?!!!

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Going off on a tangent here. In an anecdote by Yankeesama and ShiLao when the J-16 first entered service it wasn’t received with too much enthusiasm initially by the pilots since outwardly it was just another flanker. That changed when the pilots took off and started snooping around with the AESA radar, which allowed them to track and lock a J-7 taking off from a base X hundred kilometers away. The J-7 pilot promptly freaked out since there is no report of PLAAF fighter activity in the near vicinity, and took evasive actions. He was later commended for quick on the spot thinking and response.

Which variants of the J-11 have AESA radar like J-16?

 

[Blitzo]

Going off on a tangent here. In an anecdote by Yankeesama and ShiLao when the J-16 first entered service it wasn’t received with too much enthusiasm initially by the pilots since outwardly it was just another flanker. That changed when the pilots took off and started snooping around with the AESA radar, which allowed them to track and lock a J-7 taking off from a base X hundred kilometers away. The J-7 pilot promptly freaked out since there is no report of PLAAF fighter activity in the near vicinity, and took evasive actions. He was later commended for quick on the spot thinking and response.

To be honest I am more impressed that the RWR on the J-7 was able to provide that warning to begin with.

 

[tphuang]

Going off on a tangent here. In an anecdote by Yankeesama and ShiLao when the J-16 first entered service it wasn’t received with too much enthusiasm initially by the pilots since outwardly it was just another flanker. That changed when the pilots took off and started snooping around with the AESA radar, which allowed them to track and lock a J-7 taking off from a base X hundred kilometers away. The J-7 pilot promptly freaked out since there is no report of PLAAF fighter activity in the near vicinity, and took evasive actions. He was later commended for quick on the spot thinking and response.

Yeah, that was an interesting disclosure. It just shows how impressive j16 radar is against ground targets also.

I remember back 15 years ago, pupu said that su30 was china's transition from defensive to offensive air force. Of course, plaaf did not get the aircraft they really wanted until j16 came along.again, it does beg the question of how many more j10s they need. There are just so many more missions you can do with j16s that you can't with j10s.

J-16 seriously changed the game. I can't emphasize how much of a watershed moment it was in terms of indo-pacific threat assessment. US and AU (at least, as those are two nations I am familiar with) ended up significantly re-treading our tactical employment concepts as a result.

But wouldn't that still be small compared to the mass production of j20 we have seen in the past 2 years? Just curious, how much threat changed when j16 came along vs j20?

Also, I was reading some comments from USAF big wigs that china had better ew capabilities. Which seems to be a little hard to believe. What are your thoughts on that?