Hey Challenge, do you have a link for that story?? Thanks!
China Flanker Thread II
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Hey Challenge, do you have a link for that story?? Thanks!
He'll probably give you a link to strategypage or something.
If the guy who shot that is local, then it sounds like a northern accent. Shenyang is very possible.
I guess it is Shenyang. The man and the woman talked in the voiceover of the video with Senyang local accent.
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Mm.. interesting. Pease, could you tell me what they said? Especially the girls.
I'm curious but I can understand only the "accentless" mandarin.
The guy actually said "It put down the landiang gear.." "It's landing.."
But about the girl, I didn't understand a word!
Woman :.....blimy.....It's just (coming from) the two (the words she used I cannot understand, I think she meant the two birds)....blimy...loot at (it)....
Man: The landing gear is down, have you seen it? (It is) preparing for landing.
Woman:...blimy...this (clip of video) is far (better) than the last one...
According to their dialogue, I think the woman was taking the camera (phone?) and shooting the video, meanwhile the man was standing beside her watching the plane, so his voice was also captured in and he could see the details of the plane like landing gears. The woman was incoherent because she was busy to track the plane with her camera. The plane obviously overflew them twice. The first time they were unprepared, so the first clip was unsatisfied because the plane might have gone too far when she took out her camera. The second time, they were prepared, but it happened that two birds was overflying when the plane came, so she captured the wrong targets at first which made her giggling.
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俄罗斯军工综合体网站7月7日刊登分析文章称，中国沈阳飞机工业集团在歼-15舰载战斗机研制项目上取得了巨大进展，首架原型机已在2009年11月份下线。该机的出现堪称中国航空工业界取得的又一大成就。不过，该文中同时指出，虽然歼-15已经问世，但中国人在该机所用发动机的研制和新机试飞方面仍面临着许多问题。
据报道，在前苏联T-10K实验性舰载机基础上仿制而成的歼-15目前正在接受测试，可能已开始进行试飞。
拥有可折叠机翼的歼-15在外形上与俄制苏-33非常相似。西方军事专家甚至曾将首架歼-15误认成是中国此前从乌克兰购得的T-10K。有专家指出，中国飞机制造企业之所以能在短时间内研制出歼-15舰载机，主要是因为他们通过T-10K掌握了此类战机的总体技术。同时，歼-15的问世还显示，中国人已解决了先前在折叠机翼方面遭遇到的难题。
目前，中国人在舰载机方面需要解决的主要问题之一便是试飞。在这方面，中方还需解决多个问题。专家们指出，试飞工作应在生产厂家进行，而试飞员则全部来自空军——中国现在还没有出身于海军航空兵的试飞员。之后，参加试飞的歼-15将被运至位于陕西省阎良的空间试飞中心接受进一步的测试。而作为一种将装备航空母舰的战斗机，中国海军必须建设自己的测试中心对其进行测试并在那里培训自己的试飞员。有消息称，中国海军的飞行测试中心只是刚刚开始建设，至于何时能在那里开始针对歼-15的测试还不得而知。
据预测，中国的首艘航空母舰将会装备歼-15。虽然成都飞机工业公司曾建议以双座型的歼-10作为舰载机，但这一提议最终还是遭到中国军方的拒绝。有专家在分析其中的主要原因时指出，军方选择歼-15是为了维持沈阳飞机工业集团的生存。
至于中国在舰载机方面需要解决的另一问题则是发动机。中国人以AL-31系列发动机为基础仿制的WS-10A“太行”发动机的研制工作仍未结束，尚未正式装备中国海空军现役战机。据悉，“太行”发动机目前存在的主要问题是材料不过关，可靠性较低。中国制造的复合材料无论在结构上还是质量上都无法达到美国和俄罗斯的水平。不过，考虑到国产航空母舰的建造进度，中国人在歼-15改进方面仍拥有充足的时间，因此从俄罗斯进口苏-33并不是必须的。
有消息称，中国产“太行”发动机的首翻期寿命为500小时，但其一但开始飞行测试便会频繁出现技术故障。也正因如此，中国的歼-10B和歼-11B上均未装备“太行”发动机。
此前曾有巴基斯坦空军官员透露，在巴空军进口的歼-10A战斗机上将不会装备“太行”发动机。这一消息意味着，巴基斯坦军方可能会为其进口的歼-10A配备价格较为昂贵但却更加可靠的俄制或西方产发动机。
除此之外，歼-15的飞行控制系统也存在着严重问题。专家们指出，歼-15的飞行控制系统是以歼-11B的为基础研制的，而后者自身的可靠性就不高。因此，歼-15在今年开始的试飞过程中有可能会遭遇一系列问题。
中国的航母计划已持续了20余年。为了掌握制造经验，中国曾购买过多艘国外退役的航母，包括澳大利亚的“墨尔本”号和前苏联建造的“瓦良格”号、“明斯克”号与“基辅”号。不过，为了建造国产航母，中国的技术人员必须解决一系列极其复杂的技术问题，其中也包括使各种舰载设备和作战系统互不干扰地运行。因此，中国还将被迫向俄罗斯和乌克兰求购部分舰载设备。
俄罗斯世界武器贸易分析中心曾预测称，中国将在2020年之前建造4-6艘排水量约6.5万吨的中型航母(与“瓦良格”号相当)。而未来的中国海军航母编队将会被部署在南中国海和东海地区。(北斗)
according to the russian military induestries asst. Biggest problem still the WS-10A engine,with only 500 hours life span,quality of Chinese made engine component is still blow that russian and US , other was flight control.
according to the article,Pakistan j-10 will not be fitted with WS-10a,they do not want very expensive aircraft be power by unreliable engine,and may opt with eitherr russian or western engine.
and main reson why PLAN slected shenyang J-15 over twin seat naval J-10 is economic survival of shenyang aircraft co.
据报道，在前苏联T-10K实验性舰载机基础上仿制而成的歼-15目前正在接受测试，可能已开始进行试飞。
拥有可折叠机翼的歼-15在外形上与俄制苏-33非常相似。西方军事专家甚至曾将首架歼-15误认成是中国此前从乌克兰购得的T-10K。有专家指出，中国飞机制造企业之所以能在短时间内研制出歼-15舰载机，主要是因为他们通过T-10K掌握了此类战机的总体技术。同时，歼-15的问世还显示，中国人已解决了先前在折叠机翼方面遭遇到的难题。
目前，中国人在舰载机方面需要解决的主要问题之一便是试飞。在这方面，中方还需解决多个问题。专家们指出，试飞工作应在生产厂家进行，而试飞员则全部来自空军——中国现在还没有出身于海军航空兵的试飞员。之后，参加试飞的歼-15将被运至位于陕西省阎良的空间试飞中心接受进一步的测试。而作为一种将装备航空母舰的战斗机，中国海军必须建设自己的测试中心对其进行测试并在那里培训自己的试飞员。有消息称，中国海军的飞行测试中心只是刚刚开始建设，至于何时能在那里开始针对歼-15的测试还不得而知。
据预测，中国的首艘航空母舰将会装备歼-15。虽然成都飞机工业公司曾建议以双座型的歼-10作为舰载机，但这一提议最终还是遭到中国军方的拒绝。有专家在分析其中的主要原因时指出，军方选择歼-15是为了维持沈阳飞机工业集团的生存。
至于中国在舰载机方面需要解决的另一问题则是发动机。中国人以AL-31系列发动机为基础仿制的WS-10A“太行”发动机的研制工作仍未结束，尚未正式装备中国海空军现役战机。据悉，“太行”发动机目前存在的主要问题是材料不过关，可靠性较低。中国制造的复合材料无论在结构上还是质量上都无法达到美国和俄罗斯的水平。不过，考虑到国产航空母舰的建造进度，中国人在歼-15改进方面仍拥有充足的时间，因此从俄罗斯进口苏-33并不是必须的。
有消息称，中国产“太行”发动机的首翻期寿命为500小时，但其一但开始飞行测试便会频繁出现技术故障。也正因如此，中国的歼-10B和歼-11B上均未装备“太行”发动机。
此前曾有巴基斯坦空军官员透露，在巴空军进口的歼-10A战斗机上将不会装备“太行”发动机。这一消息意味着，巴基斯坦军方可能会为其进口的歼-10A配备价格较为昂贵但却更加可靠的俄制或西方产发动机。
除此之外，歼-15的飞行控制系统也存在着严重问题。专家们指出，歼-15的飞行控制系统是以歼-11B的为基础研制的，而后者自身的可靠性就不高。因此，歼-15在今年开始的试飞过程中有可能会遭遇一系列问题。
中国的航母计划已持续了20余年。为了掌握制造经验，中国曾购买过多艘国外退役的航母，包括澳大利亚的“墨尔本”号和前苏联建造的“瓦良格”号、“明斯克”号与“基辅”号。不过，为了建造国产航母，中国的技术人员必须解决一系列极其复杂的技术问题，其中也包括使各种舰载设备和作战系统互不干扰地运行。因此，中国还将被迫向俄罗斯和乌克兰求购部分舰载设备。
俄罗斯世界武器贸易分析中心曾预测称，中国将在2020年之前建造4-6艘排水量约6.5万吨的中型航母(与“瓦良格”号相当)。而未来的中国海军航母编队将会被部署在南中国海和东海地区。(北斗)
according to the russian military induestries asst. Biggest problem still the WS-10A engine,with only 500 hours life span,quality of Chinese made engine component is still blow that russian and US , other was flight control.
according to the article,Pakistan j-10 will not be fitted with WS-10a,they do not want very expensive aircraft be power by unreliable engine,and may opt with eitherr russian or western engine.
and main reson why PLAN slected shenyang J-15 over twin seat naval J-10 is economic survival of shenyang aircraft co.
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The most interesting part of the video isn't that the plane has short sting or canard like su-33, but the site the video is supposed to be shot.
I think it suggests that another prototype has been built and the factory has to test it first before they fly it to the test centre which is reportedly in Shaanxi province for test flight.
Another possibility is that some higher ranked communist leaders were in Shenyang for the debriefing of the project. The plane had to overfly the populous area because the pilot had to give the leaders (who were supposed at the airstrip of the factory)a better view. If there was no leaders, the plane would fly to some rural area far away from the airstrip for test so it was unlikely to be seen.
I think it suggests that another prototype has been built and the factory has to test it first before they fly it to the test centre which is reportedly in Shaanxi province for test flight.
Another possibility is that some higher ranked communist leaders were in Shenyang for the debriefing of the project. The plane had to overfly the populous area because the pilot had to give the leaders (who were supposed at the airstrip of the factory)a better view. If there was no leaders, the plane would fly to some rural area far away from the airstrip for test so it was unlikely to be seen.
If WS-10A has such lousy lifespan, I think WS-10A would not have won the national project award in 2008 and PLA will never accept it.
If J-10 needed to be fitted with Russian engine and export, PLA will not have held an open exhibition in February this year to showcase J-10 to the world and aggressively promoted it...
And finally, CCTV will not broadcast the documentary about the success of WS-10A recently if it really is so problematic and cannot be mass produced.
PLA only be open about things that work well,do well.
Just like the first shenzhou launch in 2003. They never even live telecast it. It only when they are very confident and works well. Then they will be open about it. The 2005 second launch was widely documented and live telecast given it.
Lastly, this russian military report is bullsh*t...
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