China Flanker Thread II
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Pardon ! ... but I do not understand what You want to say ??
is Your post related to the J-16-images just above ... ?
I believe Deino that he is stating that up to 20 of the original Russian SU-27s may be retired or retiring, so yes they will be needing to get those J-16s up and running. Forbin correct me if I have mis-understood??
Yes you have understand
but no thinking replaced by J-16, maybe ?First Su-27SK retired very possible coz Su-27 get a more short service life ~ 3000 h and have 20 years, Western more expensives but they last longer
20 Su-27SK + 6 Su-27UBK for 3rd Division / 9th Regiment to Wuhu after replaced by Su-30MKK, the first unit which received modern fighters based close for protect the more big city, port the economic capital since very long time, Shanghai.
I let' s you imagine the difference for Chinese pilots AF get at this time about 3000/3500 fighters but J-5, J-6, H-5, A-5 ... ! the more " recent " the J-7, two generations away !
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So, if there are 5(?) Su-27//J-11/A units left at 24 jets each and a total of 105(?) J-11/A produced, that means all that is left are some -27UBK from the third batch to support training in those remaining units plus perhaps form one type training / conversion unit?
That would mean 20+6 & 16+6 SK/UBK are retired. Essentially all of the SK. If each one of the 5 units retains 4UBKs, that leaves 18 from the last batch for one training unit.
That would mean 20+6 & 16+6 SK/UBK are retired. Essentially all of the SK. If each one of the 5 units retains 4UBKs, that leaves 18 from the last batch for one training unit.
Yes you have understand
First Su-27SK retired very possible coz Su-27 get a more short service life ~ 3000 h and have 20 years, Western more expensives but they last longer
Roger that, and a very good point, we are attempting to SLEP F-16s from 8,000 hours to at least 10,000 and hopefully 12,000, not cheap, but they are a good bang for the buck.
That's one reason I was really shocked that the Russians wanted 250,000,000 a copy for PAK-FA or FGFA???? if the Indians can get a stealthy F-35 for 110 to 150 million, that's a much better bang for their buck?
I am looking forward to seeing more J-15s and J-16s, and I am still VERY skeptical of a Chinese SU-35 buy, I just don't see the benefit?? but it would offer capability relatively soon, but I just don't think it would be that much sooner?
As our buddy Jeff says, lets wait and see? I really do think the Chinese Flankers are built with better material and tighter tolerances? and I would expect them to have a service life of at least 6,000 to 8,000 hours???
In general Western fighters have a "initial" service life of 6000 h, Russians less coz less good quality* more cheap also and pilot flight less beside last Su-27 modernised in SM3 ordered will have a service life of 3000 h for 20 years this corroborates that.
And Russians/Soviet have always give priority to the number and less to quality.
A more long service for Chinese Flankers maybe ? but not for J-11/A build with Russians kits and many difficulties some return to Komsomolsk.
Only the 1st lot retired 20 Su-27SK + 6 Su-27UBK remains exept losses in this case 18 Su-27SK + 34 Su-27UBK.
For J-11B i have 120 but for 2/3 years ago and i found now ~ 170 ? can be good, 4/5 lots of 20/24, 2008/2012 or 2013, after ?
These last years much more difficult for find, first years 1992/2003 i had infos easy ( without internet i have since 2010 ) first J-10 include more easy also coz import fighters, Russians Flankers as Su-35 now, begin more difficult after and from 2/3 years infernal they talk much less... !
And Russians/Soviet have always give priority to the number and less to quality.
A more long service for Chinese Flankers maybe ? but not for J-11/A build with Russians kits and many difficulties some return to Komsomolsk.
Yes 105 J-11 whose 45A initialy a license for 200 and finaly J-11B...
Only the 1st lot retired 20 Su-27SK + 6 Su-27UBK remains exept losses in this case 18 Su-27SK + 34 Su-27UBK.
For J-11B i have 120 but for 2/3 years ago and i found now ~ 170 ? can be good, 4/5 lots of 20/24, 2008/2012 or 2013, after ?
These last years much more difficult for find, first years 1992/2003 i had infos easy ( without internet i have since 2010 ) first J-10 include more easy also coz import fighters, Russians Flankers as Su-35 now, begin more difficult after and from 2/3 years infernal they talk much less... !
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With what I could find and assuming that production didn't slow down the last 12 month, there should be about 220 J-11B of all sorts (B, BS, BH, BSH) in service now.
With all the new deveopments I find it difficult to keep up.
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