China Flanker Thread II

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Air Force Brat

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The Chinese expect to fight a very different fight and enemies compared to most western air forces, so their requirements are correspondingly different.

For modern western air forces, a big part of the mission profile and emphasis is on bombing hopelessly outclassed enemies even further back onto the stone age. Thus the emphasis on heavy weapons loads so they can dump a lot of ordinance per sortie.

The thing is, at max load, even the best fighter bomber is going to start wallowing like a transport. Not an issue if everything in the sky is friendly and the opponent has no air defence worth mentioning.

China expects to fight opponents who are on par, if not superior technologically. Thus, being able to carry 10-12 or more tones doesn't really appeal if that makes their planes sitting ducks.

The PLAAF is unlikely to be carrying even their 8t full load much if any of the time in combat, so its really a moot point in my view.

Now Wolfie?? lets not let our political ideology get in the way of truth, our Western Air Force is fully prepared to meet ANY other Air Force on the planet, anytime, anyplace, and anywhere. NOBODY wants to meet the F-22 on equal terms, because if you do, you won't be going home to Momma??

The sad fact that we have been engaged in a war on terror, goes back to the US being a victim, of sad little men, who mercilessly killed innocent men, women, and even children?? for example a very fine journalist Daniel Pearl, bombings on an aircraft at Lockerbie Scotland, World Trade Centers, Pentagon et all on 9/11/2001, and I could go on and on??

No, fighters do NOT wallow like transports, and to tell the truth, US transports don't wallow either, they fly very well. Read my post above for the effects of weight on aircraft, affects performance, ability to maneuver, and operating window?? We are sadly off topic, but for what its worth, the J-16 will be able to carry a tremendous load, likely comparable to our own F-15E??? right??
 

Blackstone

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No, fighters do NOT wallow like transports, and to tell the truth, US transports don't wallow either, they fly very well. Read my post above for the effects of weight on aircraft, affects performance, ability to maneuver, and operating window??...
Oh come on now Brat, don't exaggerate. You know damn well the Brewster Buffalo wallowed worse than a dead turkey.
 

SinoSoldier

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From a technical perspective, there isn't a reason why the J-16 couldn't carry more payload than the F-15E; the former has more powerful engines and most likely a lighter airframe owing to its use of composite materials.
 

Quickie

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It's also a matter of the jet fighter design requirement. As an example, the Rafale has a large max payload relative to its size but its designer had also to sacrifice a bit of its max speed due to the fighter having to have a larger wing area and lower wing loading. On the other hand, the flanker designer may have a preference of a higher max speed (Mach 2.35) over a high max payload. Rafale has a max speed of Mach 1.8.
 

Totoro

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fake as in someone's illustration, i believe. but allegedly the real thing really did fly today? did it? is there really a flanker based strike plane in the works?

if so - why, of why. in 2015, we'd have j16 entering service, j11d flying for the first time and now this? If so, it could signal j20 won't be built at a fast pace and jh7 won't get a stealthy successor in a decade or two...
 

Deino

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Honestly I do not really understand this whole JH-XX, J-18 or JH-18, J-19 or JH-19 and even worse JH-7B-story any more ... first there was this stealthy design from Xian looking very much like a F-22 on steroids and labelled JH-7B, then it turned out, that the true H-7B is only a more or les mediocre MLU and the true new striker will be the J-16. Behind the scenes however there remained some really persisted rumours about a SAC design based on its loosing contender for the J-XX (J-20) sometimes labelled as J-19 or JH-19 ... in parallel a Su-34-analogue called J-18 or JH-18 ... and now all this mixed with that latest - and hopefully true - JH-X/JH-18 supersonic/medium bomber design we saw in the last weeks.....
 

Totoro

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I'd say chances even half of all those projects will see service with plaaf/planaf are slim to none. And chances that someone is purposefully throwing in fake information are slowly on the rise.

Though, most realistically, it might just be bunch of fanboy based rumors mingled with the real info, and without images it's hard to know which is which.
 
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