China Flanker Thread II

[Schumacher]

Maybe J-16 is a far more potent platform for A2G mode. We know J-10A and J-11B can drop PGM but firing KD-88, C-802 and Anti-radiation missile needs far more dedicated platform and system...Something like J-16?

It will be like the real F-15E strike eagle.

J16 won't be like your run of the mill F15E mind you. They say it'll come standard with AESA, souped up WS10 and some other goodies you find on China's 4th gen projects.
Something like the F15SG of the Strike Eagle family, with souped up radar and engines compared with the rest.

 

[Deino]

Honestly I don't get this "J-16 = Su-30MKK-clone" like posted in such stupid reports (for example:

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), since these all prove that these guys either can't distinguish a Su-27UB from a Su-30MKK, or they are intentionally posting bull**** or they are simply plain stupid. Propably their only source is KANWA !!!!

First of all; by simply comparing these "cell phone camera" images, which were allegedly showing the J-16, each one with at least a minimum of understanding can clearly see that this is a standard twin-seat-Flanker with the single wheel front gear, no IFR-probe and most noteable the canted fin-tips. (Just in comparison to a twin nose wheel gear, IFR-probe and sqaured tips of the MKK)

Therefore no need to discuss any further ...

Besides that as also noted, the question remains, what - if ever - is this mysterious J-16 ?? As far as I know this version will be simply a AG-optimised J-11B, which - similar to that strange behavior at Sukhoi, where each and every new Flanker received a new number - will propably feature the above mentioned features (similar to the J-15), but again so far we haven't seen that type.

Deino

 

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[SinoSoldier]

Honestly I don't get this "J-16 = Su-30MKK-clone" like posted in such stupid reports (for example:

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), since these all prove that these guys either can't distinguish a Su-27UB from a Su-30MKK, or they are intentionally posting bull**** or they are simply plain stupid. Propably their only source is KANWA !!!!

First of all; by simply comparing these "cell phone camera" images, which were allegedly showing the J-16, each one with at least a minimum of understanding can clearly see that this is a standard twin-seat-Flanker with the single wheel front gear, no IFR-probe and most noteable the canted fin-tips. (Just in comparison to a twin nose wheel gear, IFR-probe and sqaured tips of the MKK)

Therefore no need to discuss any further ...

Besides that as also noted, the question remains, what - if ever - is this mysterious J-16 ?? As far as I know this version will be simply a AG-optimised J-11B, which - similar to that strange behavior at Sukhoi, where each and every new Flanker received a new number - will propably feature the above mentioned features (similar to the J-15), but again so far we haven't seen that type.

Deino

I'm with you buddy. People are mistaking what the J-16 is. All this stereotype that all Chinese J-11B Flankers are "copies" of their Russian ones or that this new strike plane must be a copy of a Russian strike plane is purely absurd. We already know that it is simply a J-11BS with ground assault ability; a fighter that is purely based on home made systems. Not related at all to the Su-30MK2. Not to mention the news source is Kanwa.

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Well the delta obviously moves the center of lift aft, compared to a midwing design, and the canard restores/increases pitch authority, much like OVT. To take advantage of the high AoA capability, in addition to creating a vortex to increase lift. It is much shorter, and the mass is centralized, much like the newer sport bikes, Honda marketed mass centralization as a design philosophy. The Flanker has a large main wing in the center and lots of pitch authority, but is not nearly as dynamically unstable as the delta/canard configuration. So you sold me young man, I'm buyin it.

I guess that's one of the reasons we are seeing all those tri plane designs. I'd love to see a similar drill betwen the J-10 and J-15.

 

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[Deino]

Just when You think Your work is done and You finally have everything together, You understand that strange numbering system .... then the PLAAF changes their complete numbering system and everything begins again .....

Here are the first two - at least for me - images of a former 37. Division ... now 111. Brigade showing the new numbering system:

ABxCx - 611 = Brigade ... here a J-11BS with 72323 meaning aircraft no. 22 (= xx) and ABC = 722 ... as such 722-611 = 111. Brigade !

Now we only have to find out everything about all the other brigades, their Bases and air bases ...

 

[franco-russe]

Cheer up! So far it is only four bases and 16 brigades! Plus of course all the regiments that have changed subordination - and a new division. Lots of fun!

 

[Franklin]

The J-10 story reminds me of the story i've read about the J-11b's participation with the exercises in Turkye the Anatoly Eagle. There the J-11's where just as good as the Turkish F-16 in BVR combat but at close range the J-11's got canned because they where constantly out turned by the F-16's. This is why it's importend to have TVC engines on the Flankers like the Russians and Indians have. Do anyone know the status of the WS-10B engines ? That is the WS-10A with 3D TVC.

 

[Lion]

The J-10 story reminds me of the story i've read about the J-11b's participation with the exercises in Turkye the Anatoly Eagle. There the J-11's where just as good as the Turkish F-16 in BVR combat but at close range the J-11's got canned because they where constantly out turned by the F-16's. This is why it's importend to have TVC engines on the Flankers like the Russians and Indians have. Do anyone know the status of the WS-10B engines ? That is the WS-10A with 3D TVC.

PLAAF send obsolete J-11A to participate in the exercise. They never send J-11B.

Plus, I believe, those pilot purposely loses out to Turkish AirForce in those exercise.

 

[no_name]

I thought they only get to exercise with F-4s, not F-16s?