China demographics thread.

RoastGooseHKer

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At the minimum overseas returnees must submit to all laws and not demand any special treatment.
There is already unequal treatment within China. The Hukou system itself discriminates against rural and inner provincial folks, preventing them from accessing the social and healthcare benefits folks enjoy in first tier cities. Meanwhile, ethnic minorities with the greatest separatist tendencies also enjoy better social welfare subsidies and college entrance chances than majourity of PRC citizens. My home city of HKSAR is EXTREMELY privileged since we barely pay any direct tax to the Central Government under the One Country Two Systems, albeit we profit remarked from China’s foreign trade. Based on Orange Man’s philosophy, HK should have been heavily taxed by Beijing for “ripping off” the rest of China since 1997, not to mention the whole pre-2020 political dramas. Many Shanghainese also think like HKers with a sense of pro-west superiority over the majourity of “Chinese peasants,” but at least Shanghai municipal government invests millions in poorer provinces through the poverty alleviation program. So Shanghainese have some right to brag about their privileges and sense of pride because they paid for it.

Thus, before welcoming back overseas Chinese (especially those with different political and cultural values), maybe Beijing should deal with own systemic inequalities, especially structural mistreatment of citizens from inland provinces (excluding heavily subsidised minority regions). And just jettison the whole 56 nationalities bs of course. They were an outdated Soviet construction vulnerable to foreign interference anyway.
 

styx

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Having spent two weeks in China as a tourist, I realized how wise the one-child policy was and how complex it is to manage such large masses of people. Those who haven’t been to China have no idea what a modern city of 20–30 million inhabitants is like, nor how difficult it is to coexist in such conditions. I believe a desirable population for China would be around 800 million to 1 billion people. Of course, there will be imbalances and issues with elderly welfare, but they seem more manageable than overpopulation.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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There is already unequal treatment within China. The Hukou system itself discriminates against rural and inner provincial folks, preventing them from accessing the social and healthcare benefits folks enjoy in first tier cities. Meanwhile, ethnic minorities with the greatest separatist tendencies also enjoy better social welfare subsidies and college entrance chances than majourity of PRC citizens. My home city of HKSAR is EXTREMELY privileged since we barely pay any direct tax to the Central Government under the One Country Two Systems, albeit we profit remarked from China’s foreign trade. Based on Orange Man’s philosophy, HK should have been heavily taxed by Beijing for “ripping off” the rest of China since 1997, not to mention the whole pre-2020 political dramas. Many Shanghainese also think like HKers with a sense of pro-west superiority over the majourity of “Chinese peasants,” but at least Shanghai municipal government invests millions in poorer provinces through the poverty alleviation program. So Shanghainese have some right to brag about their privileges and sense of pride because they paid for it.

Thus, before welcoming back overseas Chinese (especially those with different political and cultural values), maybe Beijing should deal with own systemic inequalities, especially structural mistreatment of citizens from inland provinces (excluding heavily subsidised minority regions). And just jettison the whole 56 nationalities bs of course. They were an outdated Soviet construction vulnerable to foreign interference anyway.
Excuse me but what the actual fuck are you ranting about?
 

Equation

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There is already unequal treatment within China. The Hukou system itself discriminates against rural and inner provincial folks, preventing them from accessing the social and healthcare benefits folks enjoy in first tier cities. Meanwhile, ethnic minorities with the greatest separatist tendencies also enjoy better social welfare subsidies and college entrance chances than majourity of PRC citizens. My home city of HKSAR is EXTREMELY privileged since we barely pay any direct tax to the Central Government under the One Country Two Systems, albeit we profit remarked from China’s foreign trade. Based on Orange Man’s philosophy, HK should have been heavily taxed by Beijing for “ripping off” the rest of China since 1997, not to mention the whole pre-2020 political dramas. Many Shanghainese also think like HKers with a sense of pro-west superiority over the majourity of “Chinese peasants,” but at least Shanghai municipal government invests millions in poorer provinces through the poverty alleviation program. So Shanghainese have some right to brag about their privileges and sense of pride because they paid for it.

Thus, before welcoming back overseas Chinese (especially those with different political and cultural values), maybe Beijing should deal with own systemic inequalities, especially structural mistreatment of citizens from inland provinces (excluding heavily subsidised minority regions). And just jettison the whole 56 nationalities bs of course. They were an outdated Soviet construction vulnerable to foreign interference anyway.
Have you ever been to any MAGA states here in the USA? They hate all Asians or those that look like "Chi neese".
 

Eventine

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Having spent two weeks in China as a tourist, I realized how wise the one-child policy was and how complex it is to manage such large masses of people. Those who haven’t been to China have no idea what a modern city of 20–30 million inhabitants is like, nor how difficult it is to coexist in such conditions. I believe a desirable population for China would be around 800 million to 1 billion people. Of course, there will be imbalances and issues with elderly welfare, but they seem more manageable than overpopulation.
China has plenty of land, people choosing to squeeze into the same cities and towns is a problem with civil management (particularly the hukou system and infrastructure concentration). A population density map that illustrates this quite well:

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What China really needs to do, presuming population crowding is seen as a problem, is move people more evenly across the country. 94% of the population lives east of the "Hu Line," and even then it is not evenly distributed (e.g. Northeast China has been suffering from population loss for years, if not decades).

Historically, people concentrated along the coasts and bread baskets for food & trade. But with modern transportation that is increasingly not a thing. Reduced exports as a percentage of GDP will also decrease the importance of living along the coasts. So all that remains to do is to ensure that new businesses and industries are invested in less populated areas so as to create new centers of commerce.
 

lych470

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Yi Fuxian with his rehash of Chinese collapse due to demographics.

I wonder if Yi Fuxian is this decade's Gordon Chang. I certainly hope he find a captive audience in US lawmakers as Gordon Chang had.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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Have you ever been to any MAGA states here in the USA? They hate all Asians or those that look like "Chi neese".
I understand. I have seen them here in HK as well, where white men are treated as Gods. But here is the difference between USA and China. In USA, white Anglo Northern European men are the top of the racial hierarchy. In China, Han Chinese men - especially those from rural areas and inner provinces - are at the bottom of the class/racial/ethnic/gender hierarchy.
 

Proton

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China has plenty of land, people choosing to squeeze into the same cities and towns is a problem with civil management (particularly the hukou system and infrastructure concentration). A population density map that illustrates this quite well:

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What China really needs to do, presuming population crowding is seen as a problem, is move people more evenly across the country. 94% of the population lives east of the "Hu Line," and even then it is not evenly distributed (e.g. Northeast China has been suffering from population loss for years, if not decades).

Historically, people concentrated along the coasts and bread baskets for food & trade. But with modern transportation that is increasingly not a thing. Reduced exports as a percentage of GDP will also decrease the importance of living along the coasts. So all that remains to do is to ensure that new businesses and industries are invested in less populated areas so as to create new centers of commerce.
Isn’t the hukou system discouraging migration and thus preventing even more movement to the largest cities?
 
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