China demographics thread.

[Hendrik_2000]

Of course quality is important. But quantity is ALSO important. Like I said, Canada has the world's most educated population. If Canada wanted to pursue its independent foreign policy and break from the US tomorrow, does it have the power to stand up to the US? Of course not, with its tiny population it does not have the military strength, economic size or resources to do so. A quality population is important but if its tiny then you have to be satisfied being under the subjugation of others (notably the US and its allies). I hope China never accepts that.

Now you quote Canada as an example why she never account for much . Well here is the problem with Canada though she is endowed with bountiful land and rich in mineral and relatively highly educated masses. Not exactly free but access to higher education is easier than in state. The government will provide you with grant and loan for university education. For undergraduate program the quality of Canadian university is good.

Canada was leader is number of technology back in 60 all the way to 2000 But they just don't have the national will to be independent It has nothing to do with population. Canadian are very insular all they know is north America and they couldn't be bother with conquering new market or aggressively marketing their product and services. Unlike the german or swede even though they are small they have the will to be technically independent.
Typically successful canadian company when the founder is retired they sold it to US company There are hundreds company like that Then the auto pact creating common auto market in North America practically kill Canadian automaker like McClaren, Massey Fergusson etc

Also Canadian suffer from colonial mentality In most of their company the heads are all British and these people think they still own Canada but the tragic thing is the Canadian let them running the show

Canada was leading in fighter jet program in 60's with their Avrow Arrow jet But they cancelled the program on the pretext of saving money for nuclear power program which ironically they sold to private company for a song.
The same with nuclear power at one time Candu was leading but there is no money to developed it further They have researched the Thorium cycle for ages but nothing coming out of it

No it is not due to population but Canada just don't have national will to be independent It is not surprising since the media are controlled by the American and most Canadian get their news from US TV station.

You see clearly from Huawei debacle when they let US justice dictate Canadian law Canadian just hopeless. They are nice folk decent but small minded and has no ambition other than having good life. in German they call it klein burgerlich!

 

[gadgetcool5]

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Yeah, the notion that "China's demographic transition is inevitable result of development and common to all rich countries" is simply not true. In 2020 the US birth rate dropped by 4% and has now recovered. China's birth rate dropped 18% in 2020 and is on track to drop another 17% this year. Thus in 2 years, the US birth rate is unchanged while China dropped by 35%. This is abnormal. Further, China has a lower birth rate than the US even though the US GDP per capita is $63k compared to only $18k for China. China is both poorer and has a lower birth rate.

Canada doesn't have the national will to be independent because it knows that with its low population, it has no chance to compete with the US. Yes, they had some successful companies in the past, but compared to US companies, McClaren and Massey were not nearly as impressive even at their height. With only 1/10th the population of the US, the average Canadian would have to be 10x as productive as the average American just to produce the same GDP. Is it realistic to expect the average Canadian to be 10x as productive as the average American? Of course not. If Canada had a population of 660 million (twice the US) of course it would not be so subservient to the US.

 

[Appix]

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This is from September but I only noticed it now. We need to revive Confucianism which like Christianity holds children in very high regard. The modern secular way of thinking is destructive for demographics and birth rates. It views children as impediment and not something to strive for. Also how can you expect people to have children with a 9-9-6 work culture. Absolutely madness.

 

[Appix]

This needs to be rolled out nationwide. Not one county, city or province a time.​

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Babies wanted: Chinese province may offer a year of maternity leave​

A landlocked province in northwest China, in an effort to encourage couples to have children, is looking to sharply increase the duration of paid maternity leave to nearly one full year, putting it on par with some developed economies in Europe.

Shaanxi is seeking public opinion on allowing an additional half a year of maternity leave on top of the current 168 days. That would put the province in the same league as European nations like Germany or Norway.

Shaanxi is also considering doubling the length of paternity leave to 30 days for couples looking to have a third child.

China announced in May that married couples may have up to three children, after data showed a dramatic decline in births in the world's most populous country.

The decision to let families have up to three children was initially met with doubts on whether it would make much difference. There were also calls for details on what supportive measures would be included.

Since then, 14 provinces including Shaanxi have either amended local family planning rules or are seeking public opinion to make amendments to laws to confer extra maternity or paternity leave.


Some have even created a new form of leave - "child-raising leave" - for couples with children aged 3 or below, state media reported on Wednesday.

The southern island province of Hainan is offering one hour of child-raising leave each day, for parents with children under 3.


The province of Heilongjiang even allows couples in border cities to have four children, due to the below-average birth rate in China's remote northeastern region.

In 2016, Beijing scrapped its decades-old one-child policy and replaced it with a two-child limit to counter a rapidly aging population.

But that failed to boost births, partly due to the relatively high cost of raising children in urban China - a challenge that persists to this day.

China had a fertility rate of just 1.3 children per woman in 2020, recent data showed, on par with aging societies like Japan and Italy.

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[Appix]

A big problem, according to Huang, is China’s policy incentives to boost its fertility rate are lagging behind the urgent and actual need and are not sufficient.
“For local officials, population growth is far less important than policies such as [coronavirus] pandemic prevention and carbon emissions in their [key Performance Indicator] reviews,” the demographer added.

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[gadgetcool5]

Number of newly married couples drops 17.5% compared with 2019

The number of newly married couples in China in the first three quarters has plummeted by 17.5 percent compared with 2019. Young people's willingness to get married is declining both in cities and the countryside.

According to statistics from China's Ministry of Civil Affairs, there were 5.88 million newly married couples in the first three quarters of 2021, 17.5 percent less than in the same period of 2019.

From 2013 to 2020, the number of marriage registrations fell from a record high of 13.47 million couples to 8.13 million, according to a report by Tsinghua University's Evergrande Research Institute.

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[gadgetcool5]

More medical institutions to be set up in China to assist couples with fertility problems

Challenged by the current situation, earlier this year, the NHC issued guiding principles for the application of human assisted reproductive technology, requiring provinces and cities to set up one institution for every 2.3-3 million people. According to the standard, Anhui Province plans to establish another 10 assisted reproductive institutions, while Shaanxi Province plans to add 10 and North China's Shanxi Province plans to set up 4 more, The Paper said.

According to the National Bureau of Statistics, the proportion of women aged 35 and above who are not of optimal child-bearing age is increasing year by year. This has resulted in various fertility problems among them.

From 2007 to 2020, the infertility rates in China have increased from 12 percent to 18 percent, and more couples with fertility difficulties are choosing to have children through assisted reproductive technology, The Paper reported.

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[Overbom]

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Fertility rate should be included into the KPIs. 5 years tops, the demographics problem would be solved

 

[Appix]

Good article from Zhou Xin about this incoming national disaster. I have never understood why Beijing has never taken serious action to adress this humongous disaster that is upon us like a high speed train without any brakes. We need a very candid and open national discussion about our extremely dire demograhic future. I applaud the province of Anhui for their no nonsense frankness.

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[ZeEa5KPul]

Good article from Zhou Xin about this incoming national disaster. I have never understood why Beijing has never taken serious action to adress this humongous disaster that is upon us like a high speed train without any brakes. We need a very candid and open national discussion about our extremely dire demograhic future. I applaud the province of Anhui for their no nonsense frankness.

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How best to explain this? Automation is kind of like your alts, tidalwave. It might appear as though several people are needed to do a certain job - just like it might appear that your alts are different people - but it's really only one person. The difference is that automation is used to do useful work, while in your case I have never once heard a useful thing come out of any of your mouths in all my time here.

Why do you never have anything useful to say, tidalwave? All you do is waste our time. If your alts were actual people they would double China's population overnight, and not once has any of them ever said anything worthwhile even by accident.