China demographics thread.

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I ended up finding the numerical sources of the data. strait from the NBS
15.23 million births in 2018.
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14.65 million births in 2019.
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12 million births in 2020, can be deduced from 2 NBS series, one on China's total population at 1.4b and the other one on the crude birth rate at 8.5 per thousand,
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The 2021 dataset was scattered. The best formatted series was the Florida one which is fairly large and a mysterious report from SCMP about birth rates in Hunan
Yes, that's good data. Unfortunately, we're going under 10m births in nearby future. A lot of work is to be done.
 

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US birth rates are increasing
Florida births in
August 2021*: 18,477 (+1.9%)
August 2020: 18,133

*preliminary so if anything, that number will increase
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Appix

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US birth rates are increasing
Florida births in
August 2021*: 18,477 (+1.9%)
August 2020: 18,133

*preliminary so if anything, that number will increase
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They import people from countries with higher birth rates. The birth rates of Euro-Americans (the current majority) is also very dire. I wonder how this will develop the plummeting of birth rates among more and more peoples worldwide. We are on the cusp of population declines in great swaths of the world this century. This will have enormous consequences.

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Appix

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They still fine the handfull of Chinese couples that have more than two children. What a disastrous political inertia. That couple should have been praised instead of fined. 1970s natalist politics that have never caught up with modern realities. Anyone any idea when they are going to scrap this nonsense of two child policy?

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Appix

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Should had started in 2010 or earlier. Thats when there were warning signs.

Anyway, beter late than never
There were warning signs as early as the early 2000s. Political inertia. See my post above from february: they were still fining people with more than two children in february of this year. A country with ultra-low birth rate and there were still over-eager bureacrats this year giving fines to the handful of people who want more than two children.
 

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They import people from countries with higher birth rates.
The US has always been a nation of immigrants.
The birth rates of Euro-Americans (the current majority) is also very dire.
Why does this matter? Go calculate group-specific numbers using 2020 CDC data
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Yeah, mostly a sleight of hand based on how Hispanics are classified.
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Okay? It's not significant. It literally doesn't matter.
 

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The US has always been a nation of immigrants.

Why does this matter? Go calculate group-specific numbers using 2020 CDC data
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Yeah, mostly a sleight of hand based on how Hispanics are classified.

Okay? It's not significant. It literally doesn't matter.

Yeah, does not matter. The changing demographics matters hugely.

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Yeah, does not matter. The changing demographics matters hugely.

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How does it matter? Even if you are a white supremacist, the "white" number is easily changeable if you classify multiracial people as "white" or simply use "Hispanic white" instead of "Nonhispanic white". Racial tensions are small in the United States when it comes to Hispanics and 2nd gen Hispanics do just as well on incomes as compared to their white counterparts. There is substantial benefit
 

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If you think that non-white immigration is going to be socially unstable, I ask you to point me to the destabilizing racial tension in California, New York, Texas, Illinois, or Florida. Just one. Instead, in all those states, even the poorest minorities have higher per capita incomes than Pudong.
 
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