Can we stop talking about off topic stuff like IQ? Thanks.
China demographics thread.
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Hendrik_2000
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Not really In SEA we have extensive discussion on this subject It is both Nature and Nurture and not just nurture or environment only. You are incorrect you can take kid from the slum and put it in first class education system and you think he can become genius? Case in point US pour ton of money to promote education for slum dweller and yet year after year the test result show otherwise. Or the need for preferential entrance that is challenge now. That is the problem with liberal education policy. One of the book that tell it as it is Bell CurveMy personal IQ is extremely high. "My case" was just a hypothetical example.
The reality is your "statistical average" is race science - in other words, racism, pure and simple.
It is morally wrong.
In reality IQ is not some sort of genetic or national trait, statistical or otherwise - it is a product of nurture and environment. IQ scores of the same national populations have increased dramatically in time with better childhood conditions and lower poverty rates. Take an average member of the Indian population, currently living with a lower per capita GDP than China, and put them in the US, with much better environment and educational system - and he or she will excel and score higher on IQ tests. Hence what their situation is in India is, is irrelevant when discussing Indian immigration to the US!
it create storm of controversy when it was first published
The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by psychologist and political scientist , in which the authors argue that is substantially influenced by both inherited and environmental factors and that it is a better predictor of many personal outcomes, including financial income, job performance, birth out of , and involvement in crime than are an individual's parental . They also argue that those with high intelligence, the "cognitive elite", are becoming separated from those of average and below-average intelligence, and that this separation is a source of social division within the United States.
The book was and remains highly controversial, especially where the authors discussed purported connections between and suggested policy implications based on these purported connections. Shortly after its publication, many people rallied both in criticism and in defense of the book. A number of critical texts were written in response to it.
FriedRiceNSpice
Captain
Not going to discuss IQ any further, but want to specifically address the claim on racism.
I do not see how sharing statistics on average measured IQ across different nations can be any more racist than sharing statistics on household median income by ethnicity. Frankly, I don't consider sharing either set of statistics to be inherently racist in it of itself.
Are most kids in first class education systems geniuses? No they are not. The US education system is highly unequal, it is funded by local property tax dollars, as a result schools in slums are heavily underfunded. And the problem is not just the funding of the school but the poverty of the community around it and what that does to families, local culture, etc. There is a lot to learn about this subject but reducing it to "The Bell Curve" is a gross oversimplfication.
When people say "nature" they mean heritability, but heritability means nothing when you are talking about national aggregates, as we are here - The classic example is height, which is strongly heritable (80 to 90 percent), yet the average height of 11-year-old boys in Japan has increased by more than 5 inches in the past 50 years. A similar historical change is occurring for intelligence: Average IQ scores are increasing across birth cohorts, such that Americans experienced an 18-point gain in average IQ from 1948 to 2002. And the most decisive and permanent environmental intervention that an individual can experience, adoption from a poor family into a better-off one, of 12 to 18 points. Source:
Sharing statistics is obviously not racist, but claiming that they are unchangeable traits of national character, that would be unaffected by, say, an Indian moving from a slum in India to the US as an immigrant, is.
I will stop talking about IQ, but I have to respond to people who are directly responding to me.
Genetic differences stop above the neck. Because the universe is simulated by a White Western liberal.
All this IQ talk, I don't even know my IQ.
I don't believe one bit about the connection between Race and IQ. Rich nations can shelter their preferred younger generations(white people) better against the cruelty of capitalism/imperialism the poorer nations have to life with.
Just like the west knows how to govern better, what the western world calls "better governance" is just the ability to steal like 2~3 trillion dollar each year from the global south. You can achieve a lot or smooth over bad governance when you can spend or save 2~5 trillion extra a year. If 2008 and 2020 haven't opened peoples eyes toward the western supremacy mythos then I don't know what will.
source: It has references/links to the study.
I don't believe one bit about the connection between Race and IQ. Rich nations can shelter their preferred younger generations(white people) better against the cruelty of capitalism/imperialism the poorer nations have to life with.
Just like the west knows how to govern better, what the western world calls "better governance" is just the ability to steal like 2~3 trillion dollar each year from the global south. You can achieve a lot or smooth over bad governance when you can spend or save 2~5 trillion extra a year. If 2008 and 2020 haven't opened peoples eyes toward the western supremacy mythos then I don't know what will.
source: It has references/links to the study.
Then perhaps, you're not one of the "East Asians" blessed with this stupendous I.Q. thing? Lol..You sure you're not Indian because you seem rather defensive and is trying your best to rebutt anything and everything that undermines your anecdotal opinion on this subject of intelligence. There's nothing wrong with being of Indian descent, just like there's nothing wrong with being East Asian descent or any ethnic groups for that matter as far as am concerned. I meant no offense for inferring that you're not who claim you are, but if I cause any offense, my apologies in advance.
Nah, I believe hes East Asian.
He just believes in liberal propaganda.
It protects his station in life (assimilated minority), after all.