Hendrik_2000
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well well China is nor alone experiencing baby bust guess who also suffer from baby bust
China demographics thread.
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This is why when I see the sources where all this fatalistic talk about China comes from (Western media), I chuckle a little. If China is fucked, the West is triple fucked. That being said, China should still try its best to fix any problem that arrises.
Not to be a downer, but US births were down 4% last year. China's births were down 15%.
President Trump started the trade war because they thought that was a way to degrade China or slow it down. Fast forward a few years ...
With the American trade deficit at another all time record high with imports from China, clearly that effort to stop China by the Americans using a trade war has failed spectacularly.
Since the Americans are not suppose to lose politically speaking, their Liberal media dredges up this so-called demographics issue, that ensures that China will lose, in the future!
It is what Keynes said, in the long run we are all dead.
American could not beat China today, in terms of trade, therefore they will beat China tomorrow, with demographics!
This whole debate in the media is an exercise in butt hurt control.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
It doesn't really matter whether it is 4, 6, 8% But the trend is clear "baby bust" without immigration US will suffer the same fate like China The trend is clear check the fertility rate
US population time bomb muddles economic race with China
New census reveals headwinds from slowing immigration and agingPedestrians walk along Market Street in Philadelphia: the coronavirus pandemic is expected to exacerbate demographic woes in the U.S. © AP
MASAHIRO OKOSHI, Nikkei staff writerApril 28, 2021 01:27 JST
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. marked its slowest population growth since the Great Depression over the last decade, highlighting the demographic challenge the country will face in its rivalry with China as its citizens become older and less diverse.
The U.S. population increased to more than 331 million in 2020, growing 7.4% from 10 years earlier, for the lowest recorded rise since 1940, according to the data released by the Census Bureau on Monday.
The U.S. slowdown comes at a time when its supremacy on the world stage is facing a serious challenge from China. The winner of this race is likely to be determined by their economic strength, which directly benefits from population growth.
White Americans are expected to become a minority in the U.S. toward the middle of this century. Concern over shifting demographics was one of the driving forces that led to the election of former President Donald Trump in 2016. But fewer immigrants resulted in slower population growth and less diversity, which have historically been crucial to the competitiveness of the American economy.
Roughly 16% of the U.S. population is aged 65 or above, according to the United Nations. Though this is a smaller percentage than the almost 30% in Japan or the roughly 20% in many other advanced economies, the U.S. for the past decade or so has failed to reach replacement-level fertility -- the average number of children each woman needs to have throughout her lifetime to maintain current population levels.
Young workers have experienced disproportionate job loss due to the ongoing pandemic, which is only expected to squeeze U.S. birthrates and hamper sustained economic growth.
Demographics figure prominently in the rivalry between the U.S. and China. The digital economy has been a boon to China, whose population of 1.4 billion gives it a significant edge in generating and collecting data -- an increasingly valuable economic resource that can be used to improve artificial intelligence and other technologies.
Actually, there's a big difference between 4% decline and 15% decline but go off with your charts. And don't forget the US can replenish its population via immigration. There are 24 million Indians born every year, more than the entire annual birth number of East Asia, and more than half of them wish they lived in the US. The US vice president and many high ranking officials and CEOs are Indian now.
The idea the US population will keep increasing at a strong rate because of immigration is something never seriously challenged, merely assumed.
Immigration quotas will always lag the drop in births. Relying only on skilled immigration will accelerate this trend while opening the floodgates is very unlikely given the political backlash.
The real figure to watch is the rate of brain drain into America, not the number. If the amount of skilled immigration falls relative to the population, it will have a disproportionate effect on innovation and economic productivity.
Immigration quotas will always lag the drop in births. Relying only on skilled immigration will accelerate this trend while opening the floodgates is very unlikely given the political backlash.
The real figure to watch is the rate of brain drain into America, not the number. If the amount of skilled immigration falls relative to the population, it will have a disproportionate effect on innovation and economic productivity.
Good, the only thing worse than a contracting population with a large plurality of old people, is still having that but with a bunch of Indians in your country as well. Let them import half of India I would hope China would even pay for their transfer to America.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Yup good luck importing a lot of Indian!
You guys are really underestimating Indians. Underestimating people solely due to race or ethnicity is pretty stupid. Most people are on average the same intelligence regardless of ethnicity. Institutions, upbringing and education matter far more than nationality. Here in the US, Indians are by far the highest earning group, they make a lot more than us Chinese, plus they are by far the most educated. Indians are very successful here.