South Korea has not reached panic mode yet, they have not introduced punitive measures yet were your life, job and earnings is tie to if you are married or not and if you are a parent or not. Imagine a dystopia were being marry and having children is as important as having a degree to advance in a career. When you start to see single South Koreans migrating to North Korea is when you find out if they hit the panic button.
China demographics thread.
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There’s only so much you can do in a liberal democracy. Punitive measures against staying single would lead to the government being overthrown in the next election, if not earlier.
The thing you have to understand about the toxic mix of liberal democracy and market capitalism is that it is not a self sustaining ideology; it is the very example of a tragedy of the commons, which historians in the future will look back and remember.
It seems that you basically have to strip females of their rights. They can't get education, good jobs, any rights, any bargaining power etc. Basically force them to be breeding machines like you see in these dystopian novels or shows. Again that's just not gonna happen unless you're completely desperate. For starters letting 50% of the population not being in a labour force is considered uncompetitive. Especially a country like China which has females working in some of the most complex STEM projects.
In the USA in the 1960s, only 40% of women had a job. And yet the USA went to the moon and was the premier superpower heads and shoulders above everyone with 40% of the global economy. So you don't need 100% participation of the women in the workforce to do great things.
I am saying as example that if people are going to complain and whine about problems like if is the end of the world then they shouldn't be afraid about governments taking extreme solutions.
If a country is facing an existential threat, like some people say these falling rates are, at the point individuals right no matter a nation existence takes priority.
Personally I think there is a lot of exaggeration and misguide fears on this debate. But if is really a existential threat then shouldn't not be taken lightly.
I think pro-natal propaganda and cultural changes will be a lot more effective than taking away rights from women. Look at Israel... women still have a decent amount of rights but due to a highly pro-natal culture, the birth rate is still high. Essentially in Israeli society, because it is surrounded by enemies, the people know that they have to reproduce because they know that if they do not have numbers, they will be swamped and destroyed. The government in China should also start a campaign to tie marriage, family and childbirth to nationalism and national survival, as well as to the long-run health of society. Emphasize it as a duty and a public moral good in every kind of media. Give awards and attention to big families, etc.
These kinds of cultural propaganda changes are also not very expensive to implement.
These kinds of cultural propaganda changes are also not very expensive to implement.
Even Israel has to be carried by hardcore religious guys (who don't really care for female rights) for birth rates. Without them the birth rate would be a lot less. And these guys are over 10% of the population who are basically leeches. Imagine if China had to feed over over 130 million people who don't do anything for religious reasons and don't have America giving them aid scaled up from Israel.
You don't have to strip women of their rights. You just need to get your population away from the idea that the most important pursuits in life are money, luxury, and self-fulfillment. This is fundamentally an American consumerist import, not a basic feature of East Asian culture.
The lack of a compelling ideological alternative to American liberal capitalism is the main challenge facing East Asia, right now. When you're bought into your enemy's values system hook, line, and sinker, how do you intend to fight them? East Asian nations are honestly pretty pathetic when it comes to standing behind their own values. The Muslims and Hindus are a bit better, in that regard, but on the flip side they're pretty pathetic when it comes to anything other than belief systems.
The reality is that we still live in the shadows of Western Empire. Even though the physical oppression has lifted, the spiritual oppression remains - their values are still dominant across the world and people still aspire to imitate their civilization. It will take time for the Global South to break out of its Western fantasy, but the danger of that fantasy is that it robs you of time through eating at your demographics.
East Asian nations are currently in the process of committing national suicide. Their refusal to take it as seriously as it should be taken, will be their down fall.
China is probably the second best positioned to wake up before it's too late - the best being North Korea.
But notice how even secular Jews have a birthrate of around 2 and it's been steady for 30 years. If China could achieve that it would be a miracle.
If the Bibi created mess in the Middle East is not solved soon Israelis will migrate in mass to Europe and the US.