China demographics thread.

broadsword

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You're not wrong, but those companies typically have Chinese competitors, so they tend to be wary about promoting people of Chinese descent to executive positions.
But a Chinese CEO will also make the products more acceptable to the Chinese consumers.

In my opinion, it's more meaningful to become a CEO of a company that you founded than to be promoted to that position.

Here is a promising start-up with Chinese-American founders:
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People have tried to discredit them, but I know one of the co-founders and I'm confident that this company is legit. Chinese-Americans should follow in the footsteps of people like Steve Chen (co-founder, YouTube), Jerry Yang (co-founder, Yahoo), and Justin Kan (cofounder, Twitch). However, unlike those three, they shouldn't sell their companies.
Absolutely. How I wish the American Chinese come back to China to found their companies.
 

azn_cyniq

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But a Chinese CEO will also make the products more acceptable to the Chinese consumers.
That's true, but I think those companies are more worried about those CEOs quitting and bringing their strategies back to China.

Absolutely. How I wish the American Chinese come back to China to found their companies.
Brother, I feel the same way. However, I am confident in China's future because graduate schools are founder factories and the number of world-class graduate schools in China is already large and growing.
 

broadsword

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Brother, I feel the same way. However, I am confident in China's future because graduate schools are founder factories and the number of world-class graduate schools in China is already large and growing.

Coming back to topic, I always feel a gradual decline of China's population is no cause for concern. It's not whether China can churn our STEM workers. My concern is whether the economy can absorb the influx of them. If it can't, many of them will work in other countries.
 

Randomuser

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Imo the biggest reason for the success of East Asian countries is not due to some genetic or inherit trait. By putting it down to a race thing you're discounting generations of toiling by the ruling class to homogenise the populace. In almost every instance that there are successes, the minority have been so severely suppressed that now the opposite policies are used just so they don't get completely assimilated.

Historically Chinese conquest of new territory from the days of the Qin Dynasty has been the standardise or die route, by thoroughly crushing ethnic minorities and forcing them into a general "Chinese" race, modern China is able to not waste any of the national resources on race wars or tribal conflict, which severely saps the country's vitality.

India is not the only example of this inability to manage ethnic tensions, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar and much of the middle east falls prey to this trap, even worse when they immigrate to foreign countries, they bring this ethnic conflict with them which becomes headaches for the host countries, as seen in five eyes countries and their tension with India.
Im almost impressed at the way they do it. Like the west despite harping on about human rights have still not resolved their issues with Muslims after all these years.

In contrast, Xinjiang has managed to not only stop terrorism using more peaceful means, they have turned Muslims into productive value adding members of society. Hui Muslims are no different from Chinese so its easy for them. But even for guys like Uyghurs, they are in a region that has loads of trade potential thanks to its location near Russia and Central Asia. Therefore they realise there is money to be made through various means (some include sports now) that they are too busy with that to throw away their lives for terrorism. This must make the west seethe with rage due to their inability to manage so no wonder they wish those Chinese Muslims were genocided instead. So much for caring about human rights huh?
You're not wrong, but those companies typically have Chinese competitors, so they tend to be wary about promoting people of Chinese descent to executive positions.


My apologies, I didn't know you were talking about non-founder CEOs. The truth is that the US has identified China as its primary competitor, so Chinese-Americans need to work harder to become CEOs. Chinese people should study hard so that they can use their knowledge to start profitable businesses. In my opinion, it's more meaningful to become a CEO of a company that you founded than to be promoted to that position.

Here is a promising start-up with Chinese-American founders:
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People have tried to discredit them, but I know one of the co-founders and I'm confident that this company is legit. Chinese-Americans should follow in the footsteps of people like Steve Chen (co-founder, YouTube), Jerry Yang (co-founder, Yahoo), and Justin Kan (cofounder, Twitch). However, unlike those three, they shouldn't sell their companies.
Without searching, can you tell me who the current CEO of mastercard is? I put that up because Mastercard had an Indian CEO who is no longer there. What about before him? Can you name the CEOs from then without searching? HSBC's CEO recently stepped down today. How many will be able to name him without searching in say 5 years time.

CEO is ultimately just the highest level employee who can be replaced anytime. They come and go. Being a founder on the other hand is having your name carved into history. You cannot be denied. People have sued each other just so they can claim they were the founder of a company.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Imo the biggest reason for the success of East Asian countries is not due to some genetic or inherit trait. By putting it down to a race thing you're discounting generations of toiling by the ruling class to homogenise the populace. In almost every instance that there are successes, the minority have been so severely suppressed that now the opposite policies are used just so they don't get completely assimilated.

Historically Chinese conquest of new territory from the days of the Qin Dynasty has been the standardise or die route, by thoroughly crushing ethnic minorities and forcing them into a general "Chinese" race, modern China is able to not waste any of the national resources on race wars or tribal conflict, which severely saps the country's vitality.

India is not the only example of this inability to manage ethnic tensions, Malaysia, Indonesia, Myanmar and much of the middle east falls prey to this trap, even worse when they immigrate to foreign countries, they bring this ethnic conflict with them which becomes headaches for the host countries, as seen in five eyes countries and their tension with India.
Cao Wei and Jin allowed literally half of the population of northern China to become non-Han. Yes they later rose up and killed millions but that lesson wasn't learned, since Tang also brought in millions of Turks.

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further encouraged the immigration of nomadic people to repopulate devastated areas and provide military power and labour. The Guanzhong region in particular became a contested region between warlords and later between the states of
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commanderies. The Qiang and Di people were numerous in northwestern China, and they often fought for Wei or Shu depending on their circumstances. Other tribal people who resided in the northwest included the Lushuihu (盧水胡) and Xianbei tribes such as the Tufa (禿髮). The tribes made up around half of the population in Guanzhong.
Chinese emperors were much more like Persian or Roman emperors. They left regular people alone if their elites paid taxes. Only the elites were expected to communicate in Chinese with the rulers just like Romans only imposed Latin on the elites.
 

tankphobia

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Im almost impressed at the way they do it. Like the west despite harping on about human rights have still not resolved their issues with Muslims after all these years.

In contrast, Xinjiang has managed to not only stop terrorism using more peaceful means, they have turned Muslims into productive value adding members of society. Hui Muslims are no different from Chinese so its easy for them. But even for guys like Uyghurs, they are in a region that has loads of trade potential thanks to its location near Russia and Central Asia. Therefore they realise there is money to be made through various means (some include sports now) that they are too busy with that to throw away their lives for terrorism. This must make the west seethe with rage due to their inability to manage so no wonder they wish those Chinese Muslims were genocided instead. So much for caring about human rights huh?
Make no mistake, the security operation in Xinjiang was on a scale that no other nation on earth could've replicated. It likely costed an immense amount of money too, since at peak there were likely a huge number of military police involved in rooting out all cells of extremism. The west would not allow that level of control on domestic soil and any politician in the west who even suggest such a thing would be political suicide, hence extremism persists.

The history of the west shows as such. The aboriginal of Australia, native Hawaiians, native American all were crushed to give those western nations prosperity and strategic positioning. Now that they can't simply "remove" ethnic tensions you see it fuming all across the west, now worsened by social media and immigration.
 
Absolutely. How I wish the American Chinese come back to China to found their companies.

The one's that are capable of do. It's just even Chinese Americans find it hard to compete with Chinese educated in China in STEM.

Cao Wei and Jin allowed literally half of the population of northern China to become non-Han. Yes they later rose up and killed millions but that lesson wasn't learned, since Tang also brought in millions of Turks.

Seriously doubt there were even one million members of the 5 barbarians, while there were tens of millions of Han in North China. And most of the barbarians may have been non-Han culturally, but most are descendants of defeated dynasties (Xia, Shang) or trace their lineage back to Yellow River civilization. Population estimates for Turks during Tang era is about 2 million total, including both inside and outside of China, so millions of Turks would be a gross overestimate.

If there were that many non-related nomads in North China during that time period, then they would have left a significant genetic footprint in the DNA of modern Northern Han, which isn't the case.
 

Eventine

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Cao Wei and Jin allowed literally half of the population of northern China to become non-Han. Yes they later rose up and killed millions but that lesson wasn't learned, since Tang also brought in millions of Turks.

Guanzhong isn't "northern China." Guanzhong then was mostly the heart land of Qin; and Qin's population had a large substrate of "northwestern barbarians" - theorized to be mainly Tibeto-Burman tribes - to begin with, so migrating more Di and Qiang in probably didn't change it that much. The bulk of the Sinitic population in northern China then and now lived in Guandong, also known as the
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Letting the Xianbei beyond the Great Wall, however, had drastic political consequences, but they never made up a large percentage of the population.
 
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