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China demographics thread.
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This statement got me a bit confused. So if say the USA throws a bunch of Chinese-Americans into concentration camps and steals all their belongings like they did to Japanese-Americans during WW2 and these Chinese-Americans decided to leave the US afterwards, you would not accept their "excuse"?
I'm not defending the anti-Chinese folk, it just seems to be a very extreme opinion you're stating. Never any reason to betray your country is a pretty high bar.
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manqiangrexue
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To me, and to most Chinese, proper allegience is by blood only. It does not change by your documents; it does not change at all, because your blood and DNA will never change. A person insulting his own blood nation, siding against his/her own people with an enemy people, will always be an abomination of the worst kind, like a black KKK wannabe/worshipper. Chinese-Americans are not Americans; they are Chinese, regardless of whether their values are properly aligned. Their passports are just paper, same thing used to make tissues and toilet wipes; they can be made and unmade at will. So Chinese-Americans leaving America will always mean returning to the correct allegience, never a betrayal. A Chinese by blood can only betray China; it is impossible for him/her to betray any other country regardless of legal or citizenship status because at best, his/her relationship with a foreign country should only be that of transactional value or possibly slightly positive dependent on that country's political alignment with China.
Do I have double-standards against people of other countries? What if an American sides with China? It depends on his ethnicity. If he is of an oppressed minority, then I can understand and accept his decision, but if not, then I consider him a coward and traitor to his own country.
Why do I believe that blood and genetics are so important? Because it is what people will judge you by forever. When a Chinese person walks down the street in a foreign country like the USA, they don't look at his passport or ask his views; he is just Chinese. If there were a WWIII, and China won, they would judge that this person is of superior quality, of extraordinary capability, and deserves reverence, just like how the Japanese views Caucasian foreigners from the West. If China lost, they would judge that this is a loser who has come abroad from his shitty desolate homeland to beg for a better living. In the latter case, even if he were to say that he is a liberal Chinese-American and always supported America, they would laugh at him and say,"Of course you do, because you are a loser who wants to join the winning side. You know that people of your genetic quality could never win so you gave up and tried to join us. We'll take pity and let you live here as long as you keep entertaining us with your flattery." Genetics determine who you are.
That is why I believe in the absolute extreme of never betraying your country and doing your best to make your country the supreme power of the world. It is the most important thing and supercedes all personal needs or grudges. Only then can you and your children be confident that you can go anywhere and command the utmost respect. Fail, and you will always be viewed with derision.
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The Transformers paper "All You Need is Attention" (2017) is a landmark paper that proposed the modern Transformers architecture, from a team of eight scientists at Google. The lead author is Indian. Six of the other seven authors are white men, some from Eastern Europe who immigrated to the U.S. to work at Google. All eight authors left Google to launch their own startups in the West.
It is based on an earlier paper by 3 authors, one Korean and two Europeans, from 2014 that proposed an attention mechanism. The paper was published in the U.S.
ImageNet and AlexNet were seminal breakthroughs in AI. ImageNet was from a Chinese American woman who immigrated to the US. AlexNet was from a Canadian team - as you mentioned. Word2Vec was a Czech guy who later immigrated to the US.
The major breakthroughs in Deep Learning in the late 2010s are mostly from the U.S. This is notable since many news articles claimed that China was publishing as many or more AI papers in the late 2010s. Even the ResNet paper was from Microsoft. China should reflect why it domestically is unable to come up with major breakthroughs in Deep Learning.
manqiangrexue
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No, you should reflect on why you are peddling stories that seem to show the US doing better while in the tech war, China's poised to clean up. If it were the opposite, Americans would be laughing saying the Chinese are only good for useless papers and publications while failing to produce real results.
Maybe China is focusing on other AI applications. While China has automated ports and automated factories you get ChatGPT in the US.
All these US AIs are also being trained using databases they stole from someone else. I doubt they are strictly legal.
What it means to be "Chinese" is much better defined in Chinese language (shocking, I know). In English, 华人 and 汉人 and 中国人 and also 华侨 and 华裔 and so forth all get lumped together under "Chinese." And there's many more subtleties, like 唐人 in southern dialects. But none of that is visible in English.
Both can be true at the same time. In my personal experience, papers published on the fundamental side come largely from the US, while many many papers applying ML to *insert field* come out of China. Besides, not all of ML is deep learning, sometimes a decision tree or logistic regression or Bayesian inference is better suited to the task at hand. If a new method is invented, there's still work to be done to adapt it to a new domain, including gathering data, determining evaluation, etc.
Besides, you can ask this question to all of computer science, why are there no Chinese breakthroughs in theory, systems, etc. It's cause Chinese academia is young: Tsinghua started it's PhD program in the 90's when US already researched computer science for decades. It's similar to the US in early 20th century when many researchers were getting their PhD from Germany.
Can you provide some evidence that "most Chinese" in the US view it this ways?
manqiangrexue
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Oh no, and I don't claim that. I said most Chinese view it this way, and most Chinese are in China. Clearly, there are no published papers on Chinese views towards race traitors but in Chinese culture, to call someone a hanjian is basically the worst insult possible. And there is the saying, "You can be a Chinese man, or a foreign dog." It implies that it is impossible for a Chinese man to become a foreign man, because to align with a foreign country against your own blood, you will have relegated yourself to a prideless subservient animal.
Now in the US, because of the surroundings growing up, some Chinese are mentally stuck trying to assimilate; they do not have the courage to be proud of their own heritage in a surrounding that is hostile to that heritage so I cannot say that most Chinese in the US would hold this view, although the proud do.
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