China demographics thread.

FairAndUnbiased

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I don't understand why China's shrinking population is such a big deal. In a world of runaway climate and runaway AI you want to have a smaller population.
not necessarily. the industrial revolution was also thought to have decoupled population from national power yet high population countries still came out on top.

its more like high population isn't sufficient alone.
 

BoraTas

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I'd add the fact that demographic expansion is really easy to stop, but (judging from current efforts of different countries) impossible to get rolling again.
I believe the current urban culture is not conducive to large families. The current lifestyle has school until you are 22 years old at least. Going as high as 30 for people who do PhDs... Then you are supposed to have casual sex and work your a** off until you are at your early-30s. Unless you were lucky, you don't own any property besides your car at this point, and are still trying to work your way up in your career. 50 years ago people had 3 children and a house at this point. Global demographic decline will continue until everyone decides that we have a serious problem. Then it will take societal and technological shifts to correct it.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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I believe the current urban culture is not conducive to large families. The current lifestyle has school until you are 22 years old at least. Going as high as 30 for people who do PhDs... Then you are supposed to have casual sex and work your a** off until you are at your early-30s. Unless you were lucky, you don't own any property besides your car at this point, and are still trying to work your way up in your career. 50 years ago people had 3 children and a house at this point. Global demographic decline will continue until everyone decides that we have a serious problem. Then it will take societal and technological shifts to correct it.
Even Latinos are not having large families anymore.

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tokenanalyst

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Even Latinos are not having large families anymore.

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But still they are projected to be half of the US population by 2050, it will be an interesting change in the US, from English to Spanish, From a Central-North European culture to a Latin American one. For first time in 200 years.
 

tokenanalyst

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I believe the current urban culture is not conducive to large families. The current lifestyle has school until you are 22 years old at least. Going as high as 30 for people who do PhDs... Then you are supposed to have casual sex and work your a** off until you are at your early-30s. Unless you were lucky, you don't own any property besides your car at this point, and are still trying to work your way up in your career. 50 years ago people had 3 children and a house at this point. Global demographic decline will continue until everyone decides that we have a serious problem. Then it will take societal and technological shifts to correct it.
In Italy women are waiting till 35 to get married and have their first child. Is pretty weird, nothing like this has happened before in Human history.
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I am pretty conflicted, because for one side having to few young people and so many older people create weird societal dynamics, most people born in 70s, 80s and 90s grew up in a time when most people they met in the street were closer to their age, as the pyramid shift upward most people they will met will be from older generations, making difficult establishing human relations and connections.

And in the other side I starting to think that technology, especially AI is going to have massive impact the future of jobs markets,I think this time is different, most of the in the service and manufacturing jobs will be automated, including coding, the jobs available will be for more qualified people. If you watch videos of Chinese factories, there is barely people working there compared to the 2000s. Just few guys checking a bunch of robots.

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Randomuser

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Given how fast things are changing due to technology like AI or whatever, all these predictions about Chinas projected population in 2050 are frankly gonna be worthless.

Maybe by then we would have blown each other up via nuclear war. Or we will have space stations. Or we will have perfected cloning by then.

I've noticed western analysis tends to be far less forward looking and more relying on current/backwards assumptions these days.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Given how fast things are changing due to technology like AI or whatever, all these predictions about Chinas projected population in 2050 are frankly gonna be worthless.

Maybe by then we would have blown each other up via nuclear war. Or we will have space stations. Or we will have perfected cloning by then.

I've noticed western analysis tends to be far less forward looking and more relying on current/backwards assumptions these days.
By 2050 if things go at the current trend, Chinese will have life expectancy of 100+, have cybernetic implants including neural, and the marginal cost of children will decline to near 0: infinitely scaleable energy from renewables like fusion and space based solar as well as traditional renewables, bioengineered plant based food that takes almost no land or resources, AI tutors and direct neural knowledge uploading to eliminate cost of teachers, arcologies with infinitely scaleable housing, and a socialist economy where profit is not necessary for function.
 

Chevalier

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Some time this century it will become possible to implant human embryos with entirely synthetic genomes into transgenic pigs with humanized uteruses and bring them to term. Not just possible, routine.
Calm down, Bene Tleilaxu.
We still don’t know the amount of development a foetus goes through whilst it is growing inside its mother, listening to its family around him or her.
 
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