China demographics thread.
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Pretty in line with the rest of Southeast Asia, particularly when you consider the level of development usually has an inverse relationship with TFR. The only exception is the highly Catholic Philippines, which has a GDP per capita similar to that of Vietnam, but a TFR of 2.78, and Malaysia, which has a GDP per capita similar to that of China's, but a TFR of 1.6.
Actually, I think if China did not implement the one child policy, its TFR would probably be in the range of Malaysia, rather than South Korea; the one child generation is really devastating China's TFR with their poor attitude towards family and children.
Actually, I think if China did not implement the one child policy, its TFR would probably be in the range of Malaysia, rather than South Korea; the one child generation is really devastating China's TFR with their poor attitude towards family and children.
China’s population falls by 2.08 million to 1.4097 billion in 2023 as births tumble, adding to demographic concerns
China Births 9.02 million!!A 5.65% drop. This is very, very good news and proves the RFA/VOA report was a lie. Egg on the face of RFA/VOA. No wonder no other news outlets picked it up! In retrospect, my doubts about the report's veracity proved true:
Never fully trust the American news media and their China dooming, lol. Of course, this doesn't change China's grim demographic situation, but any slowdown in the fall of births in China is good news, since this is a quantitative issue, after all. A problem delayed by one year is like another year of suspended sentence, and a little more time to (possibly) try to turn around the issue with more policies and/or cultural change.
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I actually expect an increase in births this year or next year. The pandemic and economic instability are being left behind and the effect from the expansion of university education will start to decrease.
A question for people residing in China?
Has the government really used it's vast media machinery to exhort people to have more children.
To an outsider it seems, high officials still don't think of demographic decline as an immediate disaster.
This ambiguity maybe due to the rise of A.I and robotics, the decline in the need to provide food and jobs for so many people and the advances in medicine that allow older people to continue to work.
Has the government really used it's vast media machinery to exhort people to have more children.
To an outsider it seems, high officials still don't think of demographic decline as an immediate disaster.
This ambiguity maybe due to the rise of A.I and robotics, the decline in the need to provide food and jobs for so many people and the advances in medicine that allow older people to continue to work.
I've been thinking that due to the limits of possible entrepreneurship ideas that could be realized in existence, and market shares that could be taken globally, it's incredibly hard to achieve common prosperity at the same time for all of 1.4 billion people as a baseline.
(Even if they dethrone the dollar and internationalize yuan, start printing money for more advanced service sector, it would be very hard to do).
So maybe they would even prefer to have a smaller population. This is just food for thought. Also as they rise technologically, especially with automatization, people would inevitably start working less and less hours like in other high-income economies (this is like economic law).
So at that point, why not increase retirement age by another 5-10 years (even 20 as we enter science fiction territory). Less physical strain and more productivity due to all kind of automation, and better healthcare system for vitality because of natural scientific progress in this area.
This is just addressing the issue from the existing base, this is not excluding those previous science fiction ideas I mentioned for boosting the birth rate mentioned by me a few threads ago. Anyways, there is myriad of options and I don't classify this as a very big problem.
(Even if they dethrone the dollar and internationalize yuan, start printing money for more advanced service sector, it would be very hard to do).
So maybe they would even prefer to have a smaller population. This is just food for thought. Also as they rise technologically, especially with automatization, people would inevitably start working less and less hours like in other high-income economies (this is like economic law).
So at that point, why not increase retirement age by another 5-10 years (even 20 as we enter science fiction territory). Less physical strain and more productivity due to all kind of automation, and better healthcare system for vitality because of natural scientific progress in this area.
This is just addressing the issue from the existing base, this is not excluding those previous science fiction ideas I mentioned for boosting the birth rate mentioned by me a few threads ago. Anyways, there is myriad of options and I don't classify this as a very big problem.
China is still younger and a a better age pyramid distribution than most of the Western countries.
By the time they start feeling some trouble from these demographic topics, they will fully rise.
By the time they start feeling some trouble from these demographic topics, they will fully rise.
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I'm all for a slow decline to about 1-1.1b. That's enough to relieve a lot of the stress.
I have no clue why people still are talking so much about how the population needs to keep expanding when AI is around the corner. These are the same people who said they were worried about all those unskilled Mexicans or South Americans coming across the border and breeding in a world where jobs are being eliminated by technology.
Like what do you this lack of self awareness or reflection?
Like what do you this lack of self awareness or reflection?
If the economic prosperity of a nation can be preserved without population increase and maybe even with population decrease, Planet Earth will thank us.
Imagine all the species that can be saved and the forests that don't have to be cut down.
I don't believe the future is about demographics, I believe it will all be about technology. The country which advances rapidly in technology will have nothing nothing to fear from any other country. You don't need a large population for this, you need money and well trained people.