China demographics thread.
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This is not ridiculous but crucial. This is about the survival of Chinese civilization and should be discussed until we fall death and start to take real and when necessary extreme radical measures to address our survival. The demographics is our number 1 threat. The USA number 2.
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It wouldn't be ridiculous if you had a single new idea on how to solve the problem and did anything but whine. Read my post, tidalwave - I've solved the problem. Some logistical and scaling challenges remain, but with this setup the Chinese government can literally create and raise as many children as it pleases. Should cajoling or coercing people fail to achieve the desired results, just tax them to pay for this program.
Not only that, the resulting children would - since they were genetically selected and possibly (in the future) engineered - be far more capable and valuable to society than "natural" births by random combination.
Soviets had a high birth rate until 1991, while more conservative societies than China's like South Korea and Japan have low birth rates. the common factor is neoliberalism in particular. Neoliberalism is a shark pool society of man eat man, where everything including basic human interaction and survival has become monetized and financialized. This is done with 0 regard for humanism, tradition or the environment.
it doesn't seem to matter what non-liberal ideology is picked. conservatism, socialism, fascism, all have had high birth rates. only neoliberalism has low birth rates. Traditional Chinese culture is fine but we can't turn back the clock, and there's plenty that wasn't good about it, god knows enough ROC and PRC authors have spilled ink and blood on why it has bad parts.
Wow. Didn't know that.
Just as a thought, USA Supreme Court recently reversed legal abortion in many states - is this part of a strategy to halt their own declining birth rate?
In the USSR Russia, Ukraine had low birth rates, it was artificially raised by the central asian republics. Soviet authorities were more interested in bringing down CAR fertility rates than improving those of urban residents.
Modern day conservativism is just another flavour of neo-liberalism. Fascism hasn't stuck around for long but I don't think there's anything about it that would be any different.
The only socialist country that successfully reversed declining fertility in the modern era was Romania. As soon as the communists got kicked out it collapsed to the eastern European baseline.
fascism has increased birth rates in societies that adopted it. it is uncomfortable to observe but it makes sense. they are social Darwinist authoritarians first and foremost. Examples: Nazi Germany, Israel, Imperial Japan
Nazi Germany increased birth rates
Israel increases birth rate among Jews while suppressing them among 'undesireables'
The more xenophobic and fascist Imperial Japan got, the higher their birth rate
it seems to me that imperialism, militarism, social Darwinism, racism and xenophobia increases birth rates. very distasteful though.
Fascist regimes don't tend to stick around, it's an inherently unstable philosophy. If you start genociding people then a bigger power will turn up and kick your ass. Even if that doesn't happen once the expansionist phase is over most of these nationalist regimes revert to neoliberalism anyway. Look at America, the British.
A sentiment I've heard people say increasingly is that people shouldn't have children for the sole purpose of their own happiness. If that's not a reason to have children, what's left in the west? People no longer feel a religious or moral duty to have children in the west, there certainly isn't a financial incentive to have them like in an African society where young work to support parents.
Neo-liberalism as an ideology gives people no incentive to have children whatsoever. It's basically sacrificing a nation's future for a short term gain in quality of life.
Just ban or limit abortions and you are done. US has taken the first step, time to follow. Ban or severely limit abortions except for medical emergencies or criminal cases (rape). In the future if the problem persists, put an extra tax for people without children and put them at a black list for getting promotion in the government or SOEs (or commercial enterprises by social and gov pressure)
Finally, continue with the housing policies until the prices collapse by at least 20%.
Finally, continue with the housing policies until the prices collapse by at least 20%.
To raise birth rate and have healthy society then you need to raise the falling rate of marriage too. Western countries have huge number of divorces which has directly contributed to falling birth rate. Improve marriage rate, decrease divorces and improve financial benefits which encourages couple to have more number of kids, decrease labour of maried women because when she is too busy with work and chases corporate ladder then she would obviously choose to delay having kids, decrease education burden and make school public and quality must be with those level of Finland , give house for new married couple with discount of atleast 30-50 % and it should be a jointly owned by both.
China should do something quickly otherwise it might follow Trend of Japan and Korea and Korea now have world's lowest level of fertility rate of only 0.8%.
One more problem is Confucius cultural aspects where people care more about their status so instead of that they should encourage equality of socialism and don't need to chases useless societal pressure.