China balloon & Airship Development

Abominable

Major
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This is getting very bizarre. Three shootdowns in as many days. No indication any object was visually spotted, they were going entirely off radar data.

I don't buy the official story, if the objects were identified as not being a threat, why were they engaged so quickly? Why not send up a drone or helicopter to at least visually identify what was being detected before blowing it up?

Is this really the American plan going forward, scramble and fire million dollar missiles blindly everytime a radar anomaly shows up anywhere in American and Canadian airspace?
 

broadsword

Brigadier
This is getting very bizarre. Three shootdowns in as many days. No indication any object was visually spotted, they were going entirely off radar data.

I don't buy the official story, if the objects were identified as not being a threat, why were they engaged so quickly? Why not send up a drone or helicopter to at least visually identify what was being detected before blowing it up?

Is this really the American plan going forward, scramble and fire million dollar missiles blindly everytime a radar anomaly shows up anywhere in American and Canadian airspace?

Why weren't the pictures/videos of the targets other than the first one taken by the pilots? Were they floating Bigfoots that ducked behind the clouds? An U-2 could do that at very high altitude if they were a threat.
 

tankphobia

Senior Member
Registered Member
So the new shootdowns seem to be significantly smaller than the first one (car size vs 3 school bus). Other than laughing at the stupid units that are used to describe UFOs, Is anyone here knowledgeable enough to say whether a house sized balloon is a normal size for a weather balloon? Because a floating 2 storey building that started this whole thing seems a tad excessive for measuring the wind.

One reason could be that their roles are different, i.e inland weather balloon vs intercontinental/global
 

coolgod

Colonel
Registered Member
So the new shootdowns seem to be significantly smaller than the first one (car size vs 3 school bus). Other than laughing at the stupid units that are used to describe UFOs, Is anyone here knowledgeable enough to say whether a house sized balloon is a normal size for a weather balloon? Because a floating 2 storey building that started this whole thing seems a tad excessive for measuring the wind.

One reason could be that their roles are different, i.e inland weather balloon vs intercontinental/global
Balloons also change size due to air pressure at different altitudes, so the 3 school bus-sized balloon at lower altitudes can be a car-sized balloon.
 

Staedler

Junior Member
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So the new shootdowns seem to be significantly smaller than the first one (car size vs 3 school bus). Other than laughing at the stupid units that are used to describe UFOs, Is anyone here knowledgeable enough to say whether a house sized balloon is a normal size for a weather balloon? Because a floating 2 storey building that started this whole thing seems a tad excessive for measuring the wind.

One reason could be that their roles are different, i.e inland weather balloon vs intercontinental/global
I think the big one might have been a superpressure balloon which are used for much longer duration flights. The smaller ones are probably zero-pressure balloons which lose gas every day from day-night healing/cooling and so only stay afloat for a few days. The SPBs apparently also tend to look like a pumpkin when inflated and that matches with what the big one looked like. The smaller ones were reportedly cylindrical which sounds like they were different types of balloons.

For comparison, the big one was supposed to be about 120 ft wide and tall, so a sphere of that size would have roughly 7.2 million cubic-foot volume. A NASA SPB which reaches 110,000 ft is supposedly about 2.6x larger at 18.8 million cubic-foot.
 
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