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JamesRed

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silos can be bombed by B-21 and LRSO,
Is there some new technology to stop engines from producing noise? Bombing deep into China is a fantasy. Those B-21's and cruise missiles will be easily detected by a network of microphones, similar to what is deployed in cities like New York where they can geo-locate gunshots in seconds. This is pure nonsense you are spouting here.
 

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Not so simple This is not your mom amd pop Tunnel. They have built in consideration that they will be attacked so they built zig zagging tunnel and pressure blast vent and many other feature exactly to counter any enemy attack. The designer for this tunnel is awarded national award first class by none other than Prez Xi 2 years ago. So
Sure but even the designers agree nuclear penetrators namely B-61-11 and B-83 can make a large (hundreds of meters) collapse. They described that in their own publications.

They are also using some kinds of armor layers to prevent penetrators, but one more warhead can credibly destroy them.
 
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SEAD

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Is there some new technology to stop engines from producing noise? Bombing deep into China is a fantasy. Those B-21's and cruise missiles will be easily detected by a network of microphones, similar to what is deployed in cities like New York where they can geo-locate gunshots in seconds. This is pure nonsense you are spouting here.
For early warning, you need to deploy the microphones in a huge region, namely more than 1M km^2 and mostly depopulated land. It’s not impossible but we should have found some hints from public publications if they have a plan.

meanwhile it’s hard for a microphone to hear a plane above 1000m height(normally B-21 fly in 20,000m) I don’t know if it’s impossible but must be hard.
 
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SEAD

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Is there some new technology to stop engines from producing noise? Bombing deep into China is a fantasy. Those B-21's and cruise missiles will be easily detected by a network of microphones, similar to what is deployed in cities like New York where they can geo-locate gunshots in seconds. This is pure nonsense you are spouting here.
Have you ever heard a plane Ion their cruising altitude? No offense but just curiosity. They are even almost invisible in that altitude.
 
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SEAD

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Sure but even the designers agree nuclear penetrators namely B-61-11 and B-83 can make a large (hundreds of meters) collapse. They described that in their own publications.

They are also using some kinds of armor layers to prevent penetrators, but one more warhead can credibly destroy them.
To be more accurate, a 300kt B61-11 may cause ~90m fully compacted tunnel, ~150m filled up by gravels and extra 200m damaged tunnel. The total length of damage is ~400m. I guess for B-83 the length would be ~500m.
 
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Sure but even the designers agree nuclear penetrators namely B-61-11 and B-83 can make a large (hundreds of meters) collapse. They described that in their own publications.

They are also using some kinds of armor layers to prevent penetrators, but one more warhead can credibly destroy them.
I tell you what during the WWII the allied bomb the hell out of German submarine pen none of them penetrate the pen! So theory and practice is not the same . They certainly know the destructive power of N bomb They have simulator so hold your. horses . They certainly prepared and they have been building for 4 decades and spread over the width of Chinese territory it is not concentrated in one place So how are you going to find all the tunnel You make everything sound so easy that is the problem with people believing their own propaganda Yeah USA USA Supa powa is GOD

In fact few weeks ago Chinese scientist find flaw in US equation to estimate the nuclear blast to protect shelter
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China research finds flaws in US nuclear blast equation to protect shelters​

  • Chinese scientists use computer simulation to update understanding of impacts on bombproof underground sites
  • Depending on distance from blast, bunkers could be subject to two waves of destruction, study find


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Published: 3:00pm, 26 Dec, 2020

New research by Chinese scientists has cast doubt on the effectiveness of underground nuclear bunkers. Shutterstock
A nuclear blast equation used by the US military for decades to guide the construction of bombproof shelters is not always accurate, according to a new study by Chinese researchers.

The equation estimates the impact on the ground following a nuclear weapon explosion, but computer simulations found the results could be unreliable if the blast occurred close by, potentially making the underground structure vulnerable.
“The larger the explosion, the smaller the distance or depth, the greater the error,” according to the team, led by Professor Rong Jili from the Beijing Institute of Technology, in a paper published in the Journal of China Ordnance on Monday.
 
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SEAD

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I tell you what during the WWII the allied bomb the hell out of German submarine pen none of them penetrate the pen! So theory and practice is not the same .
I don’t know why WWII bomb is relevant to guided bomb in 2022.
They certainly know the destructive power of N bomb They have simulator so hold your. horses . They certainly prepared and they have been building for 4 decades and spread over the width of Chinese territory it is not concentrated in one place So how are you going to find all the tunnel You make everything sound so easy that is the problem with people believing their own propaganda Yeah USA USA Supa powa is GOD
Yeah but Chinese don’t hide their nuclear construction. They didn’t try to cheat satellites. And that’s the designers themselves claimed their tunnels can be closed by B61-11. Those tunnels perfectly protected TELs but the counterattack should be delayed for several weeks. Again, I didn’t add any own idea and all those opinions are from the designers of Chinese tunnels.
In fact few weeks ago Chinese scientist find flaw in US equation to estimate the nuclear blast to protect shelter
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  • Chinese scientists use computer simulation to update understanding of impacts on bombproof underground sites
  • Depending on distance from blast, bunkers could be subject to two waves of destruction, study find


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Published: 3:00pm, 26 Dec, 2020

New research by Chinese scientists has cast doubt on the effectiveness of underground nuclear bunkers. Shutterstock
A nuclear blast equation used by the US military for decades to guide the construction of bombproof shelters is not always accurate, according to a new study by Chinese researchers.

The equation estimates the impact on the ground following a nuclear weapon explosion, but computer simulations found the results could be unreliable if the blast occurred close by, potentially making the underground structure vulnerable.
“The larger the explosion, the smaller the distance or depth, the greater the error,” according to the team, led by Professor Rong Jili from the Beijing Institute of Technology, in a paper published in the Journal of China Ordnance on Monday.
Yes but obviously there’s no order of magnitude gap. although the damage distance can be 200m or 600m, it still takes several weeks for any counterattack.
 
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Kalec

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Can we just stop obsession with B-2 with B61?

New START Treaty has a limit of 1,550 warheads, with around 400 on Minuteman, 900 on Trident.
The maximum warheads, which can be deployed by B-2, are 250. And it can't destroy all 350 silos.
 

SEAD

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Can we just stop obsession with B-2 with B61?

New START Treaty has a limit of 1,550 warheads, with around 400 on Minuteman, 900 on Trident.
The maximum warheads, which can be deployed by B-2, are 250. And it can't destroy all 350 silos.
A simple fact is that US is highly likely to leave new START in a few years, e.g. in 2024, but those silos must run for decades.
 
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Kalec

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A simple fact is that US is highly likely to leave new START in few years, e.g. in 2024, but those silos must run for decades.
And China is not gonna end up with only 350 silos either. US alone has 450 Minuteman silos in active, I see no reason why China should not seek parity in silos with US.

New START Treaty expires on 2026 at which point China should have completed build-up and load-up of all 350 silos. It gives China a favorable position to negotiate a trilateral treaty with US and Russia in term of nuclear arm control.
 
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