China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

[Annihilation98]

Xinhua just released some new parameters of DF-41.
Length: 16.5m
Weight: over 60t
Propell: 3 stage solid fuel rocket
Max Range: 14000km
Warheads: MIRV, 10-11, can't get it exactly in a shitty 360p video
CEP: 100m
Crew needed for launch: very few
Condition required for launch: anytime, anywhere.
DF-41 could launch on highway or any flat ground as large as a basketball field.

Yes, DF-41 could launch WITHOUT any pre-set site or position, and get a 100m CEP. It is literally a silo on wheels.

Shocking..Df41 is even shorter than minuteman 3..it's mean less payload and shorter range.. DF41 can carry mirv is also debatable since minuteman 3 only carry 3 warhead. I doubt max range for df41 is 12000km. 14000km range is overexagerated

 

[Xizor]

Shocking..Df41 is even shorter than minuteman 3..it's mean less payload and shorter range.. DF41 can carry mirv is also debatable since minuteman 3 only carry 3 warhead. I doubt max range for df41 is 12000km. 14000km range is overexagerated

Wait.
How do we know DF-41 is not using lighter materials? Are all ICBMs supposed to use the same materials and such?

 

[quantumlight]

Shocking..Df41 is even shorter than minuteman 3..it's mean less payload and shorter range.. DF41 can carry mirv is also debatable since minuteman 3 only carry 3 warhead. I doubt max range for df41 is 12000km. 14000km range is overexagerated

You take the length at face value but not the listed range?
Way to go for cherry picking data and extrapolating what suits you

 

[Broccoli]

Bro, assuming it is true..... why would China cluster all those nuke silos so close to each other? A single warhead can take out like ALL those nuke silos.

Western media is king of scaremongering and fake threats.

Those dots are roughly 3km away from each others.

Why would you do that if it's a wind farm?

 

[Broccoli]

If that lenght is correct DF-41 would be little longer than DF-31A.

Warhead number 10-11 seems strange.

 

[Phead128]

Those dots are roughly 3km away from each others.

Why would you do that if it's a wind farm?

I don't know much about nuclear bombs, but I'm pretty sure a big nuke has destructive radius that encompasses 3km.

Plus, if you have MIRV-ed warheads incoming, the close proximity of merely 3KM is like sitting ducks for incoming MIRV-ed warheads.

China's historic strategy has been to maximize survival of silos is to spread them out across a large geographic area as possible, 3KM is so laughably close.

Does China park their mobile DF-31s and DF-41's within 3KM of each other? Of course not..... Then why do the same with a permanent stationary silo?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

I don't know much about nuclear bombs, but I'm pretty sure a big nuke has destructive radius that encompasses 3km.

They're hardened silos with a 150 ton lid, not scrap metal shacks.

 

[Phead128]

They're hardened silos with a 150 ton lid, not scrap metal shacks.

Yea, but do they really need to be only 1.8 miles apart in some weird honey comb shape?

What is the logic that nuke silos have to be clustered together?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Yea, but do they really need to be only 1.8 miles apart in some weird honey comb shape?

What is the logic that nuke silos have to be clustered together?

There's a minimum distance d between any two silos such that no conceivable deliverable nuclear weapon can disable both at the same time by detonating somewhere between them. That distance is probably shorter than three kilometers, but you generally pad things out in engineering just to be safe. Once that minimum distance d is met, it doesn't matter if the silos are 2d, 3d, 4d,..., 1000d apart, there's no added benefit to spacing things out further.

As for the "honey comb shape", that's the most efficient lattice structure that tiles the plane such that the minimum distance constraint between silos is met, i.e., not two silos in the planar lattice are closer than the minimum distance d. This ensures safety while minimizing the operating, maintenance, and construction costs of the silo field.

 

[Phead128]

There's a minimum distance d between any two silos such that no conceivable deliverable nuclear weapon can disable both at the same time by detonating somewhere between them. That distance is probably shorter than three kilometers, but you generally pad things out in engineering just to be safe. Once that minimum distance d is met, it doesn't matter if the silos are 2d, 3d, 4d,..., 1000d apart, there's no added benefit to spacing things out further.

As for the "honey comb shape", that's the most efficient lattice structure that tiles the plane such that the minimum distance constraint between silos is met, i.e., not two silos in the planar lattice are closer than the minimum distance d. This ensures safety while minimizing the operating, maintenance, and construction costs of the silo field.

Yea, but you have to consider MIRV-ed warheads are going to have an easier time if they are only clustered d apart.

I mean, aren't they just sitting ducks for MIRV-ed warheads given their close proximity to each other? Why not just spread them around farther away?