China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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I never said that DF-41 doesnt exist. Type 99A doesnt show up at the tank biathlons because it is too heavy for it. Im only asking why hasnt DF-41 appeared in a parade if it has entered service years ago ?
Hendrik_2000
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Gee you have to ask? simple "They don't want to show it" period
Anyway what you see on the parade is mock up and not the real missile So what is the use of showing up a mock up?
I bet the US intelligence know that they exists
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AssassinsMace
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You said China likes to show-off its most powerful weapons in parades. The DF-41 would be its most powerful nuclear weapon... yet not shown in a parade.
Hyperwarp
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The DF-41 was in testing at least since 2012. Maybe thats why people thought it was in service for years. DF-41 is unique. It is a mobile ICBM that can carry 10 MIRV. In-contrast the Russian RS-24 can carry up to 6. RS-36 and RS-28 can carry 10+ large MIRV but they are silo-based. DF-41 entered service I think in early 2017? (Stationed bordering Russia?). So to appear in a parade it would have taken a year or two once it reaches a certain number of TELs. The 2019 parade would be the 1st opportunity for PRC to display the mammoth system to the public. I am hoping they will show it, but they may decide not to show it.
I have also heard the notion of DF-31AG is a stopgap measure before 41 is ready.
I think you mistaken the Soviet with Chinese, it should have been the other way around that China hides while Soviet shows. You got the impression that China shows lot than Russia is only because China has outpaced Russia in developing new hardware in recent years, so you have more chances to see a leak even if they don't intend to show. To gauge the behaviour you should have compared today's China with USSR in the 1960s to 1980s at its peak.
I didnt get this ideia. Check youtube. Compare soviet military parades from late 1970´s to 1989. Seem decently similar, IMO. At least in terms of tanks and large missiles, 1989 looks like 1975. Only in 1990 did they shown new stuff in these areas.
They see me rollin'... they gettin' the f out of they way!That is one big missile!
Broccoli
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That is one big missile!
DF-31 missile is under 15m so whatever TEL in upper pic carries is probably roughly same size or little bigger than Russia's Topol's.
I'd assume DF-41s reported weight of 80,000 isn't true and it's actually closer to other similar missiles (40,000-60,000kg).
There are no missiles similar to the DF-41, it is the largest road-mobile missile in the world. It would be helpful if throw weights were given instead of warhead counts since the mass of the bombs isn't known. If we model the missiles as cylinders of equal density, with the weights and lengths of the DF-41 and DF-31 being 80 and 40 tons and 21 and 13 metres, respectively, then the diameter of the DF-41 would be only 11% larger than the DF-31. That seems very plausible from examining the comparison picture.
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