China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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Hendrik_2000
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Henri K. made an extraordinary find, yet keeps it on hold
HK, please don't blame me for impatience and share with us your thoughts
First missile base outside continental China
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It is NOT outside China, the exact location Danzhou in Hainan province. A debate is brewing between Raj47 and Henri K . Rja47 think this is base for DF31A Here is his article
Today Henri K refute this thesis His main argument is that locating DF31A in Hainan does not make sense from pov of missile trajectory to reach CONUS and it is so exposed with no strategic depth making it ieasier to take it out at the onset of hostility.So his conclusion is this is missile site must be for DF26A because it now shifted the radius of operation southward and conver almost all of SEA
A new anti-ship missile base in Hainan?
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After the Air Force and Navy, China's rocket force, responsible for China's nuclear deterrence and long-range conventional support for other corps, appears to have entered a new phase too expansion. The new "Bases" and brigades would then be formed, as for example that which is planned on Hainan, a tropical island of 33 920 km², or three times the size of the Ile de France, in the South China Sea.
Indeed, the satellite images show that construction work on a new military base started towards the end of 2016 near the city of Danzhou (儋 州), located northwest of Hainan.
Recent images from March 2018 reveal the presence of numerous infrastructures such as barracks, administrative and training buildings, training grounds and large enclosed hangars, spread over an area of half a kilometer. square, which could accommodate more than 1,000 people visibly. The site could therefore correspond to that of a new brigade forming part of "Base No. 62" (formerly Base No. 53) mentioned in certain American reports.
The new base of the Chinese rocket force on the island of Hainan, coordinates 19 ° 28'24.04 "N 109 ° 27'32.08" E (Image: Digital Global)
The new Chinese base is located near Danzhou on Hainan Island (Image: East Pendulum)
As for the regiments and especially the types of ballistic missiles that could lodge in this new base, no official trace is found in public sources for the moment. But given the geographical location of Hainan, an island bordering international maritime areas of significant but also "isolated" continent and with little strategic depth, it is unlikely that nuclear arsenals are deployed on site.
This would rule out that it could be mobile intercontinental missiles like the DF-31A, DF-31AG and DF-41. Despite their relatively high mobility, they will be more easily identifiable, localizable and especially vulnerable by air and naval means in a comparatively smaller "space" like the island of Hainan than if they are on the Chinese mainland.
The trajectory of such an intercontinental missile from Hainan to reach the United States, for example, is not of particular interest either, or even the inconveniences of flying over the Sea of Japan, so to cross as well. South Korea and Japan with an even longer and more closely watched route, while the same missile fired from Henan in central China or Jilin in the north-west of the country will reduce flight time and fly over Russia alone. and Canada.
Image: East Pendulum
From these considerations, our hypothesis therefore naturally concerns conventional vectors, such as cruise missiles, and short and medium range ballistic missiles. In recent years, a new generation of these missiles has been designed, tested and entered into service within the Chinese rocket force. Examples include the new DF-10A cruise missile, the MRBM , the AShBM DF-21D and .
The missiles that will be deployed in this new base on Hainan are therefore probably among them.
However, in order to reach South-East Asia, that is to say a part of ASEAN member countries such as Vietnam, the Kunming, Chuxiong, Jianshui and Luorong sites of base No. 62, equipped with the MRBM DF-21 and cruise missiles, are humbly sufficient in terms of range or firepower. The deployment of these same resources on the new Hainan base would therefore represent a redundancy that is probably unjustified.
Then remains the new anti-ship means that China has been developing for 20 years now such as the DF-21D and the DF-26B (?). If the deployment of these missiles in Hainan suffers the same inconveniences related to the isolation of the island and the lack of strategic depth, the geographical position of this Chinese island also very touristy will perhaps provide significant advantages for the Chinese army in order to push his circle A2 / AD even further from his ribs.
The DF-21D and DF-26 at a Chinese parade (Photo: Chinese Army)
Considering an estimated range of 1,700 km for the DF-21D, its launch from mainland China will allow it to reach the Fiery Cross and Mischief reef line in the Spratleys in the South China Sea. But the same launch from Danzhou on the island of Hainan for example will gain about 500 km in reach and will reach the Riau Archipelago, thus putting the entire South China Sea under its "cover".
When it comes to the new DF-26, with a range of at least 4,000 km and at least one anti-ship variant, it can even reach Guam, one of the most important the US Army in the West Pacific, and also almost all of India including the Bay of Bengal and the Strait of Malacca, or even almost on the North Coast of Australia.
If the deployment of these anti-ship and denial weapons is confirmed on this new base of Danzhou, they will then complement the Chinese air and naval means more and more consistent on the island of Hainan to assert his political will on this a very coveted and watched part of the world, and at the same time provide a tactical and strategic advantage that is of great interest to China in the face of politico-military challenges just as high in the South China Sea.
Image: East Pendulum
This is of course a simple hypothesis here and should be confirmed or invalidated with future elements, but the first approximate measurements of the facilities of the new Danzhou base show that the site is able to accommodate at least twenty people. TEL of DF-21D or DF-26, plus other support vehicles and associated equipment.
To be continued.
Henri K.
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nicky
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You don't seem to get me right 
please, read my previous message carefully.
repeat: it's definetly outside CONTINENAL china.
also, claims about df-31 seem to groundless due to following main factors:
a) no sence in advance deployment of semi-strategic missile outside CONTINENTAL china;
b) phisical dimentions of df-31 as compared to df-21;
c) new anti-ship capability belong to just one of these weapon systems.
please, read my previous message carefully.
repeat: it's definetly outside CONTINENAL china.
also, claims about df-31 seem to groundless due to following main factors:
a) no sence in advance deployment of semi-strategic missile outside CONTINENTAL china;
b) phisical dimentions of df-31 as compared to df-21;
c) new anti-ship capability belong to just one of these weapon systems.
Hendrik_2000
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You don't seem to get me right
please, read my previous message carefully.
repeat: it's definetly outside CONTINENAL china.
also, claims about df-31 seem to groundless due to following main factors:
a) no sence in advance deployment of semi-strategic missile outside CONTINENTAL china;
b) phisical dimentions of df-31 as compared to df-21;
c) new anti-ship capability belong to just one of these weapon systems.
Hainan is pretty much still inside continentaj shelf Here it is
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
It is official
DF 26 is operational
China flexes muscles with 'Guam killer' missile; new drills near Taiwan
By Philip Wen and Ben Blanchard
BEIJING (Reuters) - China confirmed on Thursday that it had put into a service a new missile that Chinese media has dubbed the "Guam killer" for its ability to hit the U.S. Pacific Ocean base with a conventional or nuclear weapon.
China is in the midst of an ambitious modernization program for its armed forces, developing stealth fighters, aircraft carriers and advanced missiles as it strives to become a world class military by the middle of the century.
That, along with an increasingly assertive stance in the disputed South China Sea and around Taiwan, claimed by China as its sacred territory, has rattled nerves around the region and in Washington.
Speaking at a regular monthly news conference, Defense Ministry spokesman Wu Qian said that the military had begun putting into service the DF-26 intermediate range ballistic missile - called the "Guam killer" by media and defense experts.
Wu gave few details, aside from that it can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads and attack targets on land or at sea with precision.
China has made little secret of the DF-26 program. The missile appeared in a major military parade in Beijing in 2015.
In a separate announcement, China's air force said that its aircraft had again flown around Taiwan, the latest in a series of exercises Taiwan has described as military intimidation.
DF 26 is operational
China flexes muscles with 'Guam killer' missile; new drills near Taiwan
By Philip Wen and Ben Blanchard
BEIJING (Reuters) - China confirmed on Thursday that it had put into a service a new missile that Chinese media has dubbed the "Guam killer" for its ability to hit the U.S. Pacific Ocean base with a conventional or nuclear weapon.
China is in the midst of an ambitious modernization program for its armed forces, developing stealth fighters, aircraft carriers and advanced missiles as it strives to become a world class military by the middle of the century.
That, along with an increasingly assertive stance in the disputed South China Sea and around Taiwan, claimed by China as its sacred territory, has rattled nerves around the region and in Washington.
Speaking at a regular monthly news conference, Defense Ministry spokesman Wu Qian said that the military had begun putting into service the DF-26 intermediate range ballistic missile - called the "Guam killer" by media and defense experts.
Wu gave few details, aside from that it can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads and attack targets on land or at sea with precision.
China has made little secret of the DF-26 program. The missile appeared in a major military parade in Beijing in 2015.
In a separate announcement, China's air force said that its aircraft had again flown around Taiwan, the latest in a series of exercises Taiwan has described as military intimidation.
nicky
Junior Member
Hainan is an island very close to but outside of continental mainland China.
Deployment of the first new missile operational unit at some distant base built from ground zero, with no support infrastructure and easy access routes?? Too bizarre
Indeed, there is no room right now for deployment of any unit:
latest Terraserver pictures show that the island base is in the mid-stage of construction and will be ready to house troops early next year.
The Kunmin DF-21 bases overlap their outreach capabiliies in pairs (about twenty missiles each).
They probably targeted against stationary objects.
DF-21D with capabilities against naval targets fits in nicely to protect China's interests in South China Sea.
The new island base provides room equal to two DF-21 Kunmin bases.
Anything bigger than DF-21 simply doesn't fit into the future hangar.
very close to but outside of continental mainland China.Deployment of the first new missile operational unit at some distant base built from ground zero, with no support infrastructure and easy access routes?? Too bizarre
Indeed, there is no room right now for deployment of any unit:
latest Terraserver pictures show that the island base is in the mid-stage of construction and will be ready to house troops early next year.
The Kunmin DF-21 bases overlap their outreach capabiliies in pairs (about twenty missiles each).
They probably targeted against stationary objects.
DF-21D with capabilities against naval targets fits in nicely to protect China's interests in South China Sea.
The new island base provides room equal to two DF-21 Kunmin bases.
Anything bigger than DF-21 simply doesn't fit into the future hangar.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Hainan is an island
Deployment of the first new missile operational unit at some distant base built from ground zero, with no support infrastructure and easy access routes?? Too bizarre
Indeed, there is no room right now for deployment of any unit:
latest Terraserver pictures show that the island base is in the mid-stage of construction and will be ready to house troops early next year.
The Kunmin DF-21 bases overlap their outreach capabiliies in pairs (about twenty missiles each).
They probably targeted against stationary objects.
DF-21D with capabilities against naval targets fits in nicely to protect China's interests in South China Sea.
The new island base provides room equal to two DF-21 Kunmin bases.
Anything bigger than DF-21 simply doesn't fit into the future hangar.
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You need to brush up on your geology 101 let me help you with the definition
con·ti·nen·tal shelf
ˌkän(t)əˈnen(t)l SHelf/
noun
- the area of seabed around a large landmass where the sea is relatively shallow compared with the open ocean. The continental shelf is geologically part of the continental crust.
Those access road will be built Those bases are for personnel living only They transporter are all mobile and they need road to disperse in time of crisis Road is part and parcel of he base
Those missile are not stationary!
nicky
Junior Member
1. we all know what I mean
when you introduce a new system you must minimize possible unknown risks (problems inevitably come up during exploitation);
carefully select best operational staff (best brigades);
deploy the system within close reach of key industry producers/suppliers (to provide immediate support);
mobile missile systems themselves require vast dispersal areas with good road network (with specific requirements), numerous hidden, pre-serveyed launch positions, etc.
none of that is so far available on the island.
df-31 deployment and ote unit as an example.
we all know what I meanwhen you introduce a new system you must minimize possible unknown risks (problems inevitably come up during exploitation);
carefully select best operational staff (best brigades);
deploy the system within close reach of key industry producers/suppliers (to provide immediate support);
mobile missile systems themselves require vast dispersal areas with good road network (with specific requirements), numerous hidden, pre-serveyed launch positions, etc.
none of that is so far available on the island.
df-31 deployment and ote unit as an example.
This is off topic but continental Europe doesn't include the UK, although I do agree the post was somewhat misleading to start with!
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Another mysterious missile test ABMS perhaps time will tell From Henry K blog
Beautiful shot against the dark night sky But eerie at the same time. China maintain one of the busiest missile program ever specially now
The launch actually took place as planned, but from the TSLC Space Center. Dozens of testimonies were found in several cities in China. The nature of the shooting remains uncertain for the moment.
Beautiful shot against the dark night sky But eerie at the same time. China maintain one of the busiest missile program ever specially now
The launch actually took place as planned, but from the TSLC Space Center. Dozens of testimonies were found in several cities in China. The nature of the shooting remains uncertain for the moment.
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