Ooh that's going to leave a mark.
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Interesting that the negotiations started in 13th Oct 62 while the indo Chinese war started on 20th oct.
So Pakistan wasn't worried by the Chinese claims in the 50s and accepted them immediately (63 actually) ? What were the negotiations for then ? And why does the Pakistani UN recognition lead to the Chinese withdrawing the maps ?
Nothing you have written actually contradicts what i had cited.
And Pakistan did sign away a large part of its previously claimed territory to the Chinese.
About balakot was it really a failure ?
India has lost 100s of civilians and soldiers in terrorist attacks from the 90s.
Passenger train bomb blasts in the 90s in Mumbai killing 100s ,bombay stock exchange blast -the perpetrator dawood ebrahim openly hiding in pakistan. His kid getting married to the kid of miandad , a cricket legend in Pakistan.
1999 kargil attack, right after vaypayees historic visit.
Parliament attack in 2002.
2008 Mumbai attack.
And these were during the reign of our liberal Congress PM Manmohan singh.
How did India respond ? With words.
Except in kargil, where bjp vajpayee was in charge and the PA was thrown back. But even here no Indian plane crossed the LOC to attack the Pakistani positions.
The balakot air strikes were the 1st time post 1971 war that Indian planes actually bombed a non disputed part of Pakistan , not Kashmir.
Pakistan responded by releasing air to ground missiles from well within their own territory into Indian Kashmir.
For whatever reason Pakistan did not allow journalists to examine the attacked camp for 41 days. While claiming that it was a madrassa for kids. Which was under guard by the Pakistani army ?
This attack laid the groundwork for the historic abolishment of the article 370. Pakistan could do nothing except wail.
As for the Chinese. Its been discussed ad nauseam so i will just say that the first Chinese casualties at the hands of a foreign army in 40 decades. Result of a deliberate act by a enemy.
So this is you wiggling around the fact that the Wikipedia 'article' you referenced doesn't actually cite your original claim. And your response is to speculate and infuse your own ideas into the event, but you don't qualify as a scholarly secondary source.
You didn't 'cite' anything.
You referenced a Wiki article, which doesn't actually provide a citation for your claim.
The fact that you're not getting this is fun to watch. Please continue.
China also signed territory over to Pakistan. Were they also "worried"?
As has been made clear multiple times, there has been an exchange of land between Pakistan and China since 1947.
According to basically everyone, even pro-Indian stooges like Christine Fair, yea, it was a huge failure.
The only people who think Balakot was a success are Indians, which is why they re-elected Modi (thanks for proving my argument by the way. I rest my case.)
I was going to mention that the wiki page (lol btw) doesn't even mention what tallgamer claimed ... but honestly just can't be that bothered 
Jai Hinds always desperate to malign others they don't like. Twisting words and history, ignoring nuance and full set of facts.
Jai Hinds always desperate to malign others they don't like. Twisting words and history, ignoring nuance and full set of facts.
That is one thing I agree with. I mean seriously China? To the Indian?
Though I am not sure China would designate them as enemy. Sure West is China's enemy. India would be more like, pest problem I would say.
Let's leave bharat supa dupa to his own delusions. He tells his mates what happened and they start quoting him as their insider OSINT anonymous source supa dupa reliable from CIA... Mr. Smith Johnson reporting.
The only factual thing is that Chinese soldiers (4 of them) died at the hands of these savages.
This is the kind of stuff they celebrate as strength lol... stuff they touch themselves to.
But when it came to actually fighting, the IA pansies ran off (too used to raping women and murdering elderly folks in front of their grandchildren in Kashmir - look it up happens all the time) and had to invent stories of inkkkredible mighti Bharat supa soldiers single handedly killing 12 PLA soldiers with nothing but bare hands. And they believe that.
In reality the only time they have upper hand is when lone PLA soldiers come out of their vehicles to talk and they unexpectedly beat on them in massive groups. Supa Powa 2012 in akshun.
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Every single photo and video of interactions during this Ladakh event was either showing Indians settling at the base of a mountain with PLA occupying heights, or Indians being tied up by PLA soldiers, or Indians being escorted into trucks by PLA soldiers (returning their sorry asses), or pushing between massive groups and Indians being pushed out, or hordes of Indians in riot gear and helmets running up to a small handful of PLA soldiers with nothing but river wading equipment and soft hats lol, or that video linked where it shows Indians cowardly attacking a lone PLA communications officer who unfortunately was tasked with talking to the horde of Indians.
We have not seen any other than the above for interactions.
So spare us the cheap shots at Pakistan and saying stupid shit like "China wishes every other country was as brave as Pakistan" when India is the King of cowards, the Prince of incompetence, and the Queen of backhanded remarks.
Pakistan got land from China. Both countries settled their disputes to mutual agreement and both got something from the other and each compromised. India insists on claiming something the British incorrectly "demarcated"... a piece of land India has never administered in any way. India a nation that didn't even exist while it was governed under Tibet. Just because the Communists in China was weak during the 1950s doesn't mean that land is Indian.
For claiming Chinese land, it's only fair the Chinese also claim Indian land. India can behave and "swap" the claims where India cedes Aksai Chin in return for China ceding Arunachal Pradesh.
We have not seen any other than the above for interactions.
So spare us the cheap shots at Pakistan and saying stupid shit like "China wishes every other country was as brave as Pakistan" when India is the King of cowards, the Prince of incompetence, and the Queen of backhanded remarks.
Pakistan got land from China. Both countries settled their disputes to mutual agreement and both got something from the other and each compromised. India insists on claiming something the British incorrectly "demarcated"... a piece of land India has never administered in any way. India a nation that didn't even exist while it was governed under Tibet. Just because the Communists in China was weak during the 1950s doesn't mean that land is Indian.
For claiming Chinese land, it's only fair the Chinese also claim Indian land. India can behave and "swap" the claims where India cedes Aksai Chin in return for China ceding Arunachal Pradesh.
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India needs to address these very important human rights issues before going off to other things it can't really do competently if we're being brutally honest.
This is blatantly false. I already explained a few pages ago idk why are you still repeating this.
Shaksgam Valley was never controlled by Pakistan and therefore not for them to cede.
"Win win" was achieved through the generosity of the Chinese.
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Although the area was not under Pakistan's control since 1947, it was claimed by as part of until the 1963 ."
I must say Pakistan was practical to surrender claims to land that was taken by the stroke of their Imperial Colonialist's pen and in return got a land gift(Hunza) from the Chinese.
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