Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36)

mack8

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To get back a bit to that CGI, looks like the page is no longer up. The changes we see apart from intakes, landing gear, TVC, like the beak nose, reshaped cockpit etc. are those mere artistic licences or actually those are changes indeed present on J-36 no. 2? I imagine quite a lot more images would circulate between chinese aviation enthusiasts in private. One thing i saw in the replies is someone apparently saying there might be no DSI bumps, further reinforcing the theory of intakes akin technologically to those of J-50.
 

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The Garrett on #36011 might be for timing – it can fly once installed.
Both North and South projects have top priority for wind tunnel use.
The second prototype isn't sequential to the first; they're testing different things.


Really? And any hints what are they testing?

IMO it makes no sense to built to such similar but still dramatically different aircraft to test different things?!
 

plawolf

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Really? And any hints what are they testing?

IMO it makes no sense to built to such similar but still dramatically different aircraft to test different things?!

Obvious ones would be that they are for testing different parts of the flight envelope. No1 might by able to give better data on how the top mounted intake performs, especially at the extreme edge of the flight envelope (high supersonic speeds, high AoA etc) which might not be possible with triple DSI if the DSI itself is the limiting factor that needs pushing to the limit.

Similarly, No1 could be testing rear aspects stealth while No2 tests out the agility benefits of unrestricted TVC.

Engineering is all about balancing pros and cons of different design choices. Being able to do real world testing of those different pros and cons as well as how they impact the overall design is a fantastic way to do things. It’s just rarely done because of the multiplication of costs and increased development time that will result from doing parallel testing like this.

Looks like these really are no-expense spared projects for the PLAAF.
 

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The Garrett on #36011 might be for timing – it can fly once installed.
Both North and South projects have top priority for wind tunnel use.
The second prototype isn't sequential to the first; they're testing different things.

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扬基:白板有一个推测我觉得说的很对,老大和老二这个长相差别并非是说老二针对老大进行了改进,而是一种平行推进的,验证不同方向的东西,尽管其背后的成因我们还不太好讲,但确实是并不是老大试飞了这样不行要改成老二这个样子

席亚洲:它有可能是一种就是老大这个样子可能能更快的造出来

扬基:哎 将军已经点破天机了
Yankee: Whiteboard (a content creator) mentioned a speculation I think is very true — the difference in appearance between #1 and #2 doesn’t mean that #2 was an improvement based on #1. Rather, it’s a kind of parallel development, verifying different directions. Although we can’t yet clearly explain the underlying reason, it’s definitely not a case of “#1 flew, it didn’t work, so they changed it into #2.”

Xiyazhou: It might be because the configuration of #1 could be built faster.

Yankee: Ah — Xiyazhou has already revealed the secret.

At 2145 Yankee suggested that the second airframe's SN is 36022:
扬基:在这个36022这个东西刚飞的时候

Yankee: When that thing 36022 had just flown ...

Yankee also expressed great optimism for the speed of development (at 2745)
扬基:老六的这个进度大家伙是完全不需要有任何怀疑。甚至我说句最极端的,现在这个样子这要到2027年大拜年的时候什么空军某试验基地全体官兵向祖国人民拜年,背后停了几个乱七八糟的东西,大伙也不要意外

Yankee: There’s absolutely no need for anyone to have any doubts about the progress of the Sixer. In fact, let me put it in the most extreme way — by the time we get to the 2027 New Year’s greetings, when the officers and soldiers of a certain Air Force test base send their greetings to the people of the motherland, if there are a few strange-looking things parked in the background, no one should be surprised.

They also discussed wind tunnels and various testing activities. The word 验证 came up often specifically in context of J-36, including in 验证机. While 验证 can mean either “to verify” or “to demonstrate,” in this context it seems closer to the former, even though in English, 验证机 refers more so to an experimental research or concept demonstration aircraft.
 
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