Hmm, I think you need to think more in terms of maximal effects rather than maximal preservation. If your most capable penetrating offensive asset isn’t being used to get the most penetrating offensive effects you might be doing something wrong.
Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread
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There is in fact no confirmation for a lot of things we are saying here and won't be for a long time.
There is in fact no evidence that it can carry any of the anti-ship/ground missiles that you stated in your chart.
There is nothing theoretically preventing a new fifth generation aircraft from having a XXL weapon bay.
More importantly, having XXL weapon bay is a design requirement, not a necessary feature of 6th gen.
My point is to drop your hyperboles. Design attributes on J-36 are not all necessarily things we will see on other "6th gen" aircraft, which in itself is a marketing term.
You'd be better off just comparing J-36 to existing 5th gen aircraft.
The most important part of 6th gen, which is AI and collaboration with UCAVs for missions, you are not even talking about all.
We here at SDF is a forum that should be calmly analyzing facts and discuss some. This it not meant to be a flag waving forum.
So, If you keep up with hash tags like #stopamericanscoping, those posts are going to be deleted.
I do think it is, because if you are operating a system of systems like the above echelon, and the enemy is as well, the last thing you want to do is to expose your most high value aircraft in a position where an enemy CCA/UCAV can get a potshot at it.
The benefits of having a high speed for this aircraft, during the early phase of an air war is to be able to reposition itself in the intermediary bridging space as well as defeat any adversaries that leak through. Its large combat radius will be exerted through endurance/loiter time in this scenario.
If they're able to win the first phase of the air war (which is likely to be the most complex and most difficult), then sure J-36 could be used a bit more liberally at longer distances where J-20s and J-35As can't accompany it, and its speed and range will of course be useful there as well.
To effectively use your most penetrating offensive effects you need to be able to create openings in the enemy's echelon to begin with, and that will have to be done with a system of systems fracas.
@bsdnf I would suggest that you read carefully what @Blitzo wrote here and also this entire thread.
J-36 is not lingering in the rear. It is the most important node(s) in your strike force. If you lose J-36, your entire group of aircraft breaks down.
Nothing else in your group of aircraft have the ability to consume all the data, provide one whole picture, coordinate electronic warfare and direct actions.
There is a lot more to combat than getting from A to B and then lobbing missiles.
Also just in terms of employment of missiles, it's not clear to me why you think it is so important for an aircraft to be cruising mach 2.5 in the front line of combat theater. What are you using that speed for? Why can't a slower aircraft accomplish the same task up front?
Seems like the flaps don’t have traditional exposed hinges but some sort of membrane covers them, for maximum RCS reduction.
Yes all of this costs money sweat and pain ..but ask the Chinese during the late Qing and subsequent 100 of humiliation /blood if this is worth it and how really expensive it is NOT to have it!!!!
geography and numbers in aerial warfare work in such a way that you usually have this opportunity by default.
I think discourse about the need to always stay in cooperation with CCAs has probably been influenced too much by US doctrines, which is not a negative indictment towards anyone for talking about it, because US is by far the loudest talking about 6th gen air combat. So it's natural that they affect the discourse a lot.
However, what US says are controlled by their practical limitations. They are in the 6th gen CCA/MUMT race but so far not shown that they have progressed far in the 6th gen aerodynamics race.
A mach 2.5+ supercruising combat aircraft does not have to be constrained in the back line or always surrounded by CCAs. In fact, not operating solo can hold it back in an air war because it is surrounded by more easily detectable targets and the enemy can infer it's position based on nearby CCAs/5th gen.
In an air battle, J-36 could operate alone, penetrate the contact line unseen and position itself on the flanks of the enemy main air formation. From there, it would exploit the non-all aspect stealth of adversary 5th gens and cue in fire from J-20/35s in the main friendly air formation confronting the enemy head on, giving the first look at first shoot advantage.
The J-36 would not even need to fire a shot by itself and risk revealing it's position. Alternatively, it would join in on the chase after the initial volley sends the enemy formation running back to friendly airspace, using its massive speed to catch low supercruising 5th gens trying to escape combat.
This isn't something a B-21 can do.
However, what US says are controlled by their practical limitations. They are in the 6th gen CCA/MUMT race but so far not shown that they have progressed far in the 6th gen aerodynamics race.
A mach 2.5+ supercruising combat aircraft does not have to be constrained in the back line or always surrounded by CCAs. In fact, not operating solo can hold it back in an air war because it is surrounded by more easily detectable targets and the enemy can infer it's position based on nearby CCAs/5th gen.
In an air battle, J-36 could operate alone, penetrate the contact line unseen and position itself on the flanks of the enemy main air formation. From there, it would exploit the non-all aspect stealth of adversary 5th gens and cue in fire from J-20/35s in the main friendly air formation confronting the enemy head on, giving the first look at first shoot advantage.
The J-36 would not even need to fire a shot by itself and risk revealing it's position. Alternatively, it would join in on the chase after the initial volley sends the enemy formation running back to friendly airspace, using its massive speed to catch low supercruising 5th gens trying to escape combat.
This isn't something a B-21 can do.
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