Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

Jason_

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How I expect the J-XXX will be used, part 1. Yes, I am aware that the PLAAF will also have CCAs. Not included because the star of the show is the J-XXX and because I don't know what it looks like and how it fits the PLAAF's current doctrine. #stopamericanscopingJ-XXXisabombernotatruesixgen
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Blitzo

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In any case, as much of the discussion in the last few pages (as well as many of the fequent questions) have been somewhat conops related, I've quickly whipped this up, which somewhat depicts my vision of where I think J-36 will sit in the hierarchy/echelon of aerial combat organization in an a theater.

I.e.: basically as a survivable, intermediary bridge between the rear of AEW&C, AEW UAVs -- and the tactical front of manned tactical fighters and increasing prevalence of UCAVs/CCAs, while being networked with everything in theater with the onboard processing and data handling to make use of that information while able to loiter stealthily, and possess sufficient onboard weapons and sensors to carry out its own independent engagements if needed.


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Gloire_bb

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It depends on how the sensors are placed. If they’re sitting further back and can be rotated forward you can get binocular vision.
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Yes, but you need intersection for that, not just parallel view/ it ensures lack of dead zones only. And such sector here can't exceed angle of sweep, but probably is much less(mirror is not mathematical dot)
 

latenlazy

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That is all the better reason to unify these aircraft as "combat aircraft," which thus recognizes the primacy of networking/weapons/sensors/system of systems. Whether an aircraft is able to pull a few more Gs or whether an aircraft is trades speed for endurance/range, thus become the less important qualifiers.
You’re still going to need to differentiate between different kinds of “combat aircraft”, at least until everything gets homogenized into the same shaped triangles of various different sizes. They are adopting different planforms and configurations because they’re meant to do different things for different tactical employments and those are going to need terms that describe those roles.
 

sequ

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It depends on how the sensors are placed. If they’re sitting further back and can be rotated forward you can get binocular vision.
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Each sensor has a massive deadzone when viewing the opposite side. The only way to circumvent that it to put these systems in the wingtips, but that comes with a whole lot of other trade-offs...
 
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latenlazy

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In any case, as much of the discussion in the last few pages (as well as many of the fequent questions) have been somewhat conops related, I've quickly whipped this up, which somewhat depicts my vision of where I think J-36 will sit in the hierarchy/echelon of aerial combat organization in an a theater.

I.e.: basically as a survivable, intermediary bridge between the rear of AEW&C, AEW UAVs -- and the tactical front of manned tactical fighters and increasing prevalence of UCAVs/CCAs, while being networked with everything in theater with the onboard processing and data handling to make use of that information while able to loiter stealthily, and possess sufficient onboard weapons and sensors to carry out its own independent engagements if needed.


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While I think it can play the bridge role you’ve assigned to it in this diagram I don’t think the J-36 design is intended to be that backline. Too many features that suggest frontline capabilities.
 

Gloire_bb

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In any case, as much of the discussion in the last few pages (as well as many of the fequent questions) have been somewhat conops related, I've quickly whipped this up, which somewhat depicts my vision of where I think J-36 will sit in the hierarchy/echelon of aerial combat organization in an a theater.

I.e.: basically as a survivable, intermediary bridge between the rear of AEW&C, AEW UAVs -- and the tactical front of manned tactical fighters and increasing prevalence of UCAVs/CCAs, while being networked with everything in theater with the onboard processing and data handling to make use of that information while able to loiter stealthily, and possess sufficient onboard weapons and sensors to carry out its own independent engagements if needed.


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Why such bridge? especially more survivable and longer ranged than front.
And how far will rear be? Like, at some point it's as good as irrelevant.
 
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