Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36) thread

[iewgnem]

The question has never been about whether flying at 60,000 or 70,000 feet will make you invulnerable to attack, as that has already been proven false by the downing of U2s decades ago.

The issue is the impact on your missiles’ range and NEZ of having to go so high up. Add in even 1.5m super-cruise to the equation and your range/NEZ shrinks massively further. To compensate, you need more propellant mass, which translates to bigger missiles. Which becomes a potential big problem when internal weapons bay sizes and VLS cell dimensions puts a hard cap on how big your AAMs and SAMs can grow without needing to invest in whole new sets of planes and ships. And this is before you even consider the fact that the CHAD has massively bigger weapons bays and so can carry bigger missiles than all existing 5th gens. Not to mention all the additional energy it can impact on munitions with its higher ceiling and speed.

Stripping out all of the next gen aspects, the size and ceiling of the CHAD alone allows it to outstick all existing 5th gens to a comical degree.

U2 had no ability to detect incoming missiles and its cruise speed was only Mach 0.5
In term of energy, hitting something at very high altitude means interception happen when missile kinetic energy is at minimum, for U2 that wasn't a problem since the target made no attempt to evade nor has much ability to evade, but with 6th gen sensors J-36 can detect incoming missiles at long range, so with supercruise and altitude it will have massive energy advantage relative to the missile, which is to say not only does altitude suppress incoming missile's envelope, when combined with 6th gen sensors and high speed altitude also makes it much easier, perhaps only requriing a small heading change to escape the missile's already reduced envelope.

 

[BillRamengod]

Guys,I have discovered a display board from the "

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," and I am not sure whether anyone has posted it on the forum before. I'm not sure when this picture was taken (it's an old picture), but even at that time, they had already proposed eight conceptual designs for sixth-generation fighter and conducted low-altitude flight tests for four of them.

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From the J7E to the J20, the New Concept Aircraft Principle Industry-University-Research Synergistic Innovation Team

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In the development of the J-20 fighter, Professor Song Bifeng served as the deputy chief designer of a high-tech system, leading a group of faculty members from Northwestern Polytechnical University (NPU) to undertake significant tasks such as the health management system and mechanical reliability, making outstanding contributions to the maiden flight of the J-20.
This team was the first in China to systematically conduct research on sixth-generation fighter jets. To date, they have proposed eight conceptual designs, with four having undergone low-altitude flight validation, garnering significant influence both domestically and internationally.

 

[Blitzo]

Guys,I have discovered a display board from the "

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," and I am not sure whether anyone has posted it on the forum before. I'm not sure when this picture was taken (it's an old picture), but even at that time, they had already proposed eight conceptual designs for sixth-generation fighter and conducted low-altitude flight tests for four of them.

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This has indeed been posted before, and is quite a few years old (I recently posted it on twitter in a thread or two as well given its relevance to recent news)

But that's fine, maybe not everyone is aware of it

 

[siegecrossbow]

Guys,I have discovered a display board from the "

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," and I am not sure whether anyone has posted it on the forum before. I'm not sure when this picture was taken (it's an old picture), but even at that time, they had already proposed eight conceptual designs for sixth-generation fighter and conducted low-altitude flight tests for four of them.

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I posted this like five years ago.

 

[sutton999]

don't have the clip, only this

 

[BillRamengod]

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Photoshoped

 

[donnnage99]

I am amused by the fact that a lot of the F-22/F-35 shills have shifted towards " 'Xth Generation' is just a marketing term with no real meaning behind it", too.

Twitter fanbois yes but serious western military enthusiasts have always known and not shy from the fact that 5th generation was a marketing term coined by Lockheed

 

[Mearex]

not sure if this belongs here but it's pretty interesting

but yea, they better put some horizontal TVC on this thing to control yaw

 

[latenlazy]

not sure if this belongs here but it's pretty interesting

but yea, they better put some horizontal TVC on this thing to control yaw

Why? They’re going more advanced things than an RC model.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

not sure if this belongs here but it's pretty interesting

but yea, they better put some horizontal TVC on this thing to control yaw

Unless they have differential thrust control, it cannot accurately represent yaw stability.

Just like looking at a tank without differential drive, someone who didn't know would be confused by how it turns despite the tracks both being rigidly forward facing.