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shen

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Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

Not to get off topic but in addition to the 200+/- hours there in an additional 50 hours done in combat trainers (IA-63 Pampa). Thats why 40+ where ordered by the FAA to continoue providing filght hours to pilots that no longer have aircraft.

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sorry for going OT, last question I promise :)
Is that the same reason Argentina bought 9 Su-29, for cheap training?
I read that Brazil is experimenting with bio-fuel for their military. Wonder if combat planes can run on bio-fuel in the future, which would be perfect for Argentina.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Re: JH-7/JH-7A Thread

sorry for going OT, last question I promise :)
Is that the same reason Argentina bought 9 Su-29, for cheap training?
I read that Brazil is experimenting with bio-fuel for their military. Wonder if combat planes can run on bio-fuel in the future, which would be perfect for Argentina.

Currently the IA-58 Pucara runs on bio-fuels
 

Miragedriver

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Re: Latin American Military News & discussion

On August 17, 2007 the San Juan entered into Minister Manuel Domecq García Shipyards, where she began her mid-life upgrade, which involves cutting the hull to allow changing its propulsion plant, (in this case 4 Diesel MTU 16 V moters) and their batteries. All valves and pumps were also replaced. In 2011 assembling the hull began with completion in 2012.

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Miragedriver

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Re: Latin American Military News & discussion

Finally after three long years of debating which engine with be installed in the FMA IA -58 Pucara one was finally selected. The engines evaluated were the Honeywell TPE -331 and Pratt & Whitney PT- 6A with the same power as the Astazou TPE- 331.

At the time the decision was reached only 15+/- of the 45 Pucaras in service were flying

The signing of the contract by FAdeA August 31 of 2012, will allow FAdeA retrieve capabilities for maintenance of the Pucara aircraft engines.

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Luis Vasquez, Santiago - TheChilean Navy has received authorization to acquire a second sonar system towed variable depth of the Type 2087 -also known as CAPTAS-4 - Manufacturer THALES UK . The transaction has an estimated value of $ 20 million, as explained related to the operation of the capital of this South American country sources.

The system will be installed in one of three frigates Type 23 British-made available to the Chilean navy. Another of these ships was already equipped with the same system in 2011.

The Type 2087 is a system of low-frequency active sonar, consisting of a combination of active and passive sonar, allowing the detection of submarines at great distances and depth. In service since 2004 with the Royal Navy of the United Kingdom , is one of the most advanced systems of its kind.

This team has allowed, according to military sources, to detect and monitor the presence in May this year of two submarines, one of presumably U.S. nuclear propulsion, and one diesel-electric propulsion belonging to Peru .

The detection of two submersible occurred when they sailed international waters off the Chilean territorial sea limits, at the same time that Chilean units, including a frigate equipped with sonar system Type 2087 , conducted anti-submarine exercises in nearby.

The Chilean Navy operates three Type 23 Frigates (the UK operates 13 of them). Chile has slowly been upgrading their vessels to the 2087 Sonar System (the US kas upgraded 8 of their 13 Type 23s to this standrd), which is moang the most capable anti-submarine sonar ssystems in the world.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Looks like Brazil is going with the Sweedish Gripen fighters. Anyone thinks because of the spying incident that they decided not to choose the F/A-18?

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Brasília (AFP) - Sweden's Saab edged out French and US rivals to win a multi-billion-dollar contract to supply Brazil's air force with 36 new fighter jets, Defense Minister Celso Amorim said Wednesday.

Saab's Gripen NG was in competition with the Rafale made by France's Dassault company and US aviation giant Boeing's F/A-18 fighter for the long-deferred FX-2 air force replacement program

"After analyzing all the facts, President Dilma Rousseff directed me to inform that the winner of the contract for the acquisition of the 36 fighter jets for the Brazilian Air Force is the Swedish Gripen NG," Amorim told a press conference.

He put the actual value of the contract, earlier estimated at $5 billion, at $4.5 billion as Saab offered the cheapest price.

"We are a peaceful country, but we will not remain defenseless," Rousseff said on the presidential palace's blog.

"It is important to realize that a country the size of Brazil must be ready to protect its citizens, its resources, its sovereignty.(…) We must be ready to deal with any threat," she added,

The announcement came after more than 10 years of discussions and repeated delays due to budgetary constraints.

It came as a surprise, as experts were forecasting a Dassault-Boeing duel.

Amorim said the Gripen, a state-of-the-art, multi-role fighter, got the nod based on performance, assurances of full technology transfer and overall costs.

The Swedish aircraft, which was favored by the air force brass, is capable of performing an extensive range of air-to-air, air-to-surface and reconnaissance missions.

Munitions include various missiles, laser-guided bombs, and a single 27 mm Mauser BK-27 cannon.

The Gripen is in use in the air forces of Britain, South Africa, the Czech Republic, Thailand and Hungary.

Rousseff had postponed a decision on the FX-2 replacement contract in early 2011 for budgetary reasons but air force chiefs made it clear that it was an urgent matter.

The air force said the new fighter aircraft were needed to maintain an adequate air defense as it is to retire its 12 Mirage jets in late December.

Brazil bought the refurbished Mirage 2000 C/Bs from France in 2005 for $80 million to fly for five years.

A key requirement for the sale was technology transfers so that the planes can be assembled in this country and give a boost to the domestic defense industry.

Amorim said negotiations with Saab would take 10-12 months, with the signing of the contract expected at the end of next year and delivery of the first aircraft 48 months later.

The defense minister said Brazil's top plane maker Embraer "will benefit greatly" from the deal.

The G1 news website quoted Air Force spokesman Marcelo Damasceno as saying the Gripen jets "will meet the operational needs of the Air Force for the next 30 years."

Wednesday's announcement was a major blow for Dassault which has so far failed to export the Rafale.

French President François Hollande personally lobbied for Dassault's plane during a state visit to Brazil last week.

Brazilian press reports said Rousseff was leaning toward the F/A-18 but recent disclosures of extensive US cyberspying on Brazil dashed Boeing's hopes.

In 2009, then president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva had expressed a preference for the Rafale but later backtracked and left the choice to his successor Dilma Rousseff.

A source close to Dassault in Paris said the Rafale was the most expensive among the three aircraft in contention.

"There is a prototype of the Gripen NG, which already has 300 hours of flight," said Brazilian Air Force Commander Juniti Saito.

"We are going to develop the plant jointly with Sweden. with Saab, to have 100 percent of the plane's intellectual property," he added.

"Within the Air Force, the Gripen was always seen as the favorite because, even though it has many US-made components, it is a project that will be developed jointly with Brazil," the daily O Estado de Sao Paulo said.
 
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shen

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Looks like Brazil is going with the Sweedish Gripen fighters. Anyone thinks because of the spying incident that they decided not to choose the F/A-18?

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The spy revelation didn't help. But Gripen is the cheapest option. Rafale is just too expensive. F-18E/F comes with too many strings attached. Brazil, with ambition of becoming a South American superpower, independent of American influences.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
The spy revelation didn't help. But Gripen is the cheapest option. Rafale is just too expensive. F-18E/F comes with too many strings attached. Brazil, with ambition of becoming a South American superpower, independent of American influences.

True, but F-18E/F has more powerful engine and a lot more high tech and better avionics than the other two.
 

Dizasta1

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Brazil Snubs Boeing in Fighter Jet Deal

By DAN HORCH and CHRISTOPHER DREW Published: December 18, 2013

SÃO PAULO, Brazil — In a disappointment for Boeing, Brazilian defense officials said on Wednesday that they had picked the aircraft maker Saab for a $4.5 billion contract to build 36 fighter jets over the next 10 years.

The Brazilian defense minister, Celso Amorim, told reporters at a news conference in Brasilia that Saab was selected over Boeing because it had agreed to share more technology with contractors and because many parts for the new jet, the Gripen NG, would be made in Brazil.

The decision “took into account performance, the effective transfer of technology and costs, not only of acquisition, but also of maintenance,” Mr. Amorim said in a statement. He was accompanied by Gen. Juniti Saito, the Brazilian air force’s chief of staff. “The decision was based on these three factors.”

The announcement comes at a time of heightened tension between the United States and Brazil. In September, the Brazilian president, Dilma Rousseff, canceled a state visit to the United States after revelations that the National Security Agency was spying on foreign heads of state, including her.

In a speech at the United Nations that month, Ms. Rousseff gave a blistering attack on the United States for its “illegal interception of information and data.”

In a response to the outcry over the spying, a panel of advisers for President Obama on Wednesday recommended limiting the wide-ranging collection of personal data and restricting operations to spy on foreign leaders.

When asked at the news conference if the spying had anything to do with the decision to award the contract to Saab, Mr. Amorim did not answer directly, instead repeating reasons of cost and technology sharing.

Analysts said Brazil had many financial and practical reasons to award the contract to Saab.

Richard L. Aboulafia, an aviation analyst at Teal Group in Fairfax, Va., said that while Brazil’s disenchantment over the N.S.A.’s spying could have played a role in the decision, costs were probably a bigger factor.

“You’re talking about a military service that doesn’t need a heavyweight front-line fighter and has suffered a budget squeeze and hasn’t been able to fly the planes that it owns,” he said.

He added that a basic version of the Saab jet might cost about $45 million, compared with $55 million for Boeing’s basic F/A-18 Super Hornet.

And the Gripen’s fuel costs would be half of that for the Boeing plane. Both jets use the same engine, but the Super Hornet has two engines and the Gripen one.

A study by the military publisher IHS Jane’s said that the Gripen costs about $4,700 an hour to fly — the lowest among modern fighter jets — compared with the $11,000 for the Super Hornet.

Boeing said that the decision was “disappointing” and that it would talk to the Brazilian air force to better understand it. The company, based in Chicago, said it would still look for chances to expand its partnerships in Brazil.

The loss was also difficult for Boeing because there are only a few fighter competitions going on around the world and the United States Navy plans to stop buying the F/A-18’s.

While most countries that want high-tech fighters are buying Lockheed Martin’s more advanced F-35, many other countries cannot afford even top older models like the F/A-18. So far, Australia is Boeing’s only export customer for the jet.

By contrast, Saab’s more workaday Gripen models are flown by several other countries.

Brazil originally began its quest for new fighters to replace its aging Mirages more than a decade ago. Brazil’s former president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, wanted to buy Dassault’s Rafale fighter jets in 2009 instead of the F/A-18.

But a change in administration in Brazil, and the country’s deteriorating financial condition, helped alter the equation. A Brazilian news report on Saturday said that Dassault had already been eliminated from the competition even though the French president, François Hollande, backed the jet on a visit to Brazil last week.

Terms of the deal must still be negotiated over the next year, but delivery of the first batch of Gripen NG jets is expected in 2018.

Also on Wednesday, Boeing announced the promotion of Dennis A. Muilenburg, the head of its military business, to vice chairman, president and chief operating officer of the company. Analysts said that move made Mr. Muilenburg, 49, the heir apparent to Boeing’s chief executive, W. James McNerney Jr., who is 64.

Ray Conner, the chief executive of Boeing’s commercial airplane division, was also named a Boeing vice chairman while keeping his current responsibilities. Christopher M. Chadwick, 53, will succeed Mr. Muilenburg as chief executive of Boeing’s military unit.

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Dizasta1

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I can't say whether Brazil made the correct selection for their main combat aircraft. They have a pretty large territory to cover and in that sense, a single engine fighter, doesn't really make sense. Also, they should've incorporated their Navy's ambition of having two aircraft carriers in the future. Rafales seemed to be a good option, however, we don't know to what extent politics played a part in them failing the selection process. Boeing could've won it, as the F/A-18 E/Fs are formidible and very capable aircraft.

Having said that, there is nothing to take away from Gripens NG. It's a fantastic combat-aircraft and has excellent core avionics. Also, being NG, gives Brazil access to cutting-edge technology to build it's air force.
 
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